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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="3" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="8" type="textpart" subtype="section"><div n="24" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> It follows that in such cases also the question will be either one of
                            expediency alone or of a choice between expediency and honour.
                                <quote>But,</quote> it will be urged, <quote>if a man would beget
                                children, he is under the necessity of taking a wife.</quote>
                            Certainly. But he who wishes to become a father must needs be quite
                            clear that he must take a wife. </p></div><div n="25" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> It appears to me, therefore, that where necessity exists, there is no
                            room for deliberation, any more than where it is clear that a thing is
                                <pb n="v1-3 p.493"/> not feasible. For deliberation is always
                            concerned with questions where some doubt exists. Those therefore are
                            wiser who make the third consideration for deliberative oratory to be
                                <foreign xml:lang="grc">τὸ δυνατόν</foreign> or
                                <quote>possibility</quote> as we translate it; the translation may
                            seem clumsy, but it is the only word available. </p></div><div n="26" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> That all these considerations need not necessarily obtrude themselves in
                            every case is too obvious to need explanation. Most writers, however,
                            say that there are more than three. But the further considerations which
                            they would add are really but <hi rend="italic">species</hi> of the
                            three <hi rend="italic">general</hi> considerations just mentioned. For
                            right, justice, piety, equity and mercy (for thus they translate
                                <foreign xml:lang="grc">τὸ</foreign>
                        <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἥμερον</foreign> ), with any other virtues that anyone may be
                            pleased to add, all come under the heading of that which is honourable.
                        </p></div><div n="27" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> On the other hand, if the question be whether a thing is easy, great,
                            pleasant or free from danger, it comes under questions of expediency.
                            Such topics arise from some contradiction; for example a thing is
                            expedient, but difficult, or trivial, or unpleasant, or dangerous. </p></div><div n="28" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some however hold that at times deliberation is concerned solely with
                            the question whether a thing is pleasant, as for instance when
                            discussion arises as to whether a theatre should be built or games
                            instituted. But in my opinion you will never find any man such a slave
                            to luxury as not to consider anything but pleasure when he delivers an
                            advisory speech. </p></div><div n="29" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For there must needs be something on every occasion that takes
                            precedence of pleasure: in proposing the institution of public games
                            there is the honour due to the gods; in proposing the erection of a
                            theatre the orator will consider the advantages to be derived from
                            relaxation from toil, and the unbecoming and undesirable struggle for
                            places which will arise if <pb n="v1-3 p.495"/> there is no proper
                            accommodation; religion, too, has its place in the discussion, for we
                            shall describe the theatre as a kind of temple for the solemnization of
                            a sacred feast. </p></div><div n="30" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Often again we shall urge that honour must come before expediency; as
                            for instance when we advise the men of Opitergium not to surrender to
                            the enemy, even though refusal to do so means certain death. At times on
                            the other hand we prefer expediency to honour, as when we advise the
                            arming of slaves in the Punic War. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">After the battle of Cannae: Livy, xxii.
                                57.</note>
                     </p></div><div n="31" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But even in this case we must not openly admit that such a course is
                            dishonourable: we can point out that all men are free by nature and
                            composed of the same elements, while the slaves in question may perhaps
                            be sprung from some ancient and noble stock; and in the former case when
                            the danger is so evident, we may add other arguments, such as that they
                            would perish even more cruelly if they surrendered, should the enemy
                            fail to keep faith, or Caesar (a more probable supposition) prove
                            victorious. </p></div><div n="32" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But in such a conflict of principles it is usual to modify the names
                            which we give them. For expediency is often ruled out by those who
                            assert not merely that honour comes before expediency, but that nothing
                            can be expedient that is not honourable, while others say that what we
                            call honour is vanity, ambition and folly, as contemptible in substance
                            as it is fair in sound. </p></div><div n="33" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Nor is expediency compared merely with inexpediency. At times we have to
                            choose between two advantageous courses after comparison of their
                            respective advantages. The problem may be still more complicated, as for
                            instance when Pompey deliberated whether to go to Parthia, Africa or
                            Egypt. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">After his defeat at
                                Pharsalus.</note> In such a case the enquiry is not which of <pb n="v1-3 p.497"/> two courses is better or worse, but which of three
                            or more. </p></div><div n="34" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> On the other hand in <hi rend="italic">deliberative</hi> oratory there
                            will never be any doubt about circumstances wholly in our favour. For
                            there can clearly be no doubt about points against which there is
                            nothing to be said. Consequently as a rule all <hi rend="italic">deliberative</hi> speeches are based simply on comparison, and we
                            must consider what we shall gain and by what means, that it may be
                            possible to form an estimate whether there is more advantage in the aims
                            we pursue or greater disadvantage in the means we employ to that end.
                        </p></div><div n="35" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> A question of expediency may also be concerned with time (for example,
                                <quote>it is expedient, but not now</quote> ) or with place (
                                <quote>it is expedient, but not here</quote> ) or with particular
                            persons ( <quote>it is expedient, but not for us</quote> or <quote>not
                                as against these</quote> ) or with our method of action ( <quote>it
                                is expedient, but not thus</quote> ) or with degree ( <quote>it is
                                expedient, but not to this extent</quote> ). But we have still more
                            often to consider personality with reference to what is becoming, and we
                            must consider our own as well as that of those before whom the question
                            is laid. </p></div><div n="36" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Consequently, though examples are of the greatest value in deliberative
                            speeches, because reference to historical parallels is the quickest
                            method of securing assent, it matters a great deal whose authority is
                            adduced and to whom it is commended. For the minds of those who
                            deliberate on any subject differ from one another and our audience may
                            be of two kinds. </p></div><div n="37" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For those who ask us for advice are either single individuals or a
                            number, and in both cases the factors may be different. For when advice
                            is asked by a number of persons it makes a considerable difference
                            whether they are <pb n="v1-3 p.499"/> the senate or the people, the
                            citizens of Rome or Fidenae, Greeks or barbarians, and in the case of
                            single individuals, whether we are urging Cato or Gaius Marius to stand
                            for office, whether it is the elder Scipio or Fabius who is deliberating
                            on his plan of campaign. </p></div><div n="38" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Further sex, rank, and age, must be taken into account, though it is
                            character that will make the chief difference. It is an easy task to
                            recommend an honourable course to honourable men, but if we are
                            attempting to keep men of bad character to the paths of virtue, we must
                            take care not to seem to upbraid a way of life unlike our own. </p></div><div n="39" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> The minds of such an audience are not to be moved by discoursing on the
                            nature of virtue, which they ignore, but by praise, by appeals to
                            popular opinion, and if such vanities are of no avail, by demonstration
                            of the advantage that will accrue from such a policy, or more
                            effectively perhaps by pointing out the appalling consequences that will
                            follow the opposite policy. </p></div><div n="40" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For quite apart from the fact that the minds of unprincipled men are
                            easily swayed by terror, I am not sure that most men's minds are not
                            more easily influenced by fear of evil than by hope of good, for they
                            find it easier to understand what is evil than what is good. </p></div><div n="41" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Sometimes again we urge good men to adopt a somewhat unseemly course,
                            while we advise men of poor character to take a course in which the
                            object is the advantage of those who seek our advice. I realise the
                            thought that will immediately occur to my reader: <quote>Do you then
                                teach that this should be done or think it right?</quote> Cicero
                                <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> The letter is lost. the
                                argument of the quotation is as follows. The policy <hi rend="italic">which</hi> I advise is honorable, but it would be
                                wrong for me to urge Caesar to follow it, since it is contrary to
                                his interests. </note> might clear me from blame in the matter; for
                            he writes to Brutus in the following terms, after setting forth a number
                            of things that <pb n="v1-3 p.501"/> might honourably be urged on Caesar:
                                <quote> Should I be a good man to advise this? No. For the end of
                                him who gives advice is the advantage of the man to whom he gives
                                it. But, you say, your advice is right. Certainly, but there is not
                                always room for what is right in giving advice. </quote> However,
                            this is a somewhat abstruse question, and does not concern deliberative
                            oratory alone. I shall therefore reserve it for my twelfth and
                            concluding book. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">Chap.
                                xii.</note>
                     </p></div><div n="43" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For my part I would not have anything done dishonourably. But for the
                            meantime let us regard these questions as at least belonging to the
                            rhetorical exercises of the schools: for knowledge of evil is necessary
                            to enable us the better to defend what is right. </p></div><div n="44" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For the present I will only say that if anyone is going to urge a
                            dishonourable course on honourable man, he should remember not to urge
                            it as being dishonourable, and should avoid the practice of certain
                            declaimers who urge Sextus Pompeius to piracy just because it is
                            dishonourable and cruel. Even when we address bad men, we should gloss
                            over what is unsightly. For there is no man so evil as to wish to seem
                            so. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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