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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="3" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="8" type="textpart" subtype="section"><div n="13" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For he, who would have all men trust his judgment as to what is
                            expedient and honourable, should both possess and be regarded as
                            possessing genuine wisdom and excellence of character. In <hi rend="italic">forensic</hi> speeches the orator may, according to
                            the generally received opinion, indulge his passion to some extent. But
                            all will agree that the advice given by a speaker should be in keeping
                            with his moral character. <pb n="v1-3 p.487"/> The majority of Greek
                            writers have held that this kind of oratory is entirely concerned with
                            addressing public assemblies and have restricted it to politics. </p></div><div n="14" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Even Cicero <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">de Orat.</hi> ii. 82. </note> himself deals chiefly with this
                            department. Consequently those who propose to offer advice upon peace,
                            war, troops, public works or revenue must thoroughly acquaint themselves
                            with two things, the resources of the state and the character of its
                            people, so that the method employed in tendering their advice may be
                            based at once on political realities and the nature of their hearers.
                        </p></div><div n="15" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> This type of oratory seems to me to offer a more varied field for
                            eloquence, since both those who ask for advice and the answers given to
                            them may easily present the greatest diversity. Consequently there are
                            three points which must be specially borne in mind in advice or
                            dissuasion: first the nature of the subject under discussion, secondly
                            the nature of those who are engaged in the discussion, and thirdly the
                            nature of the speaker who offers them advice. </p></div><div n="16" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> As to the subject under discussion its practicability is either certain
                            or uncertain. In the latter case this will be the chief, if not the only
                            point for consideration; for it will often happen that we shall assert
                            first that something ought not to be done, even if it can be done, and
                            secondly, that it cannot be done. Now when the question turns on such
                            points as to whether the Isthmus can be cut through, the Pontine Marshes
                            drained, or a harbour constructed at Ostia, or whether Alexander is
                            likely to find land beyond the Ocean, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> the theme of a <hi rend="italic">suasoria</hi>
                                of the elder Seneca ( <hi rend="italic">Suas.</hi> i.).
                                    <quote>Alexander deliberates whether to sail forth into the
                                    ocean.</quote>
                        </note> we make use of <hi rend="italic">conjecture.</hi>
                     </p></div><div n="17" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But even in connection with things that are undoubtedly feasible, there
                            may at times be room for <hi rend="italic">conjecture,</hi> as for
                            instance in questions such as whether Rome is ever likely to <pb n="v1-3 p.489"/> conquer Carthage, whether Hannibal will return to
                            Africa if Scipio transports his army thither, or whether the Samnites
                            are likely to keep faith if the Romans lay down their arms. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">sc.</hi> at
                                the Caudine Forks: see above, § 3. </note> There are some things too
                            which we may believe to be both feasible and likely to be carried into
                            effect, but at another time or place or in another way. </p></div><div n="18" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> When there is no scope for conjecture, our attention will be fixed on
                            other points. In the first place advice will be asked either on account
                            of the actual thing on which the orator is required to express his
                            views, or on account of other causes which affect it from without. It is
                            on the actual thing that the senate for instance debates, when it
                            discusses such questions as whether it is to vote pay for the troops. In
                            this case the material is simple. </p></div><div n="19" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> To this however may be added reasons for taking action or the reverse,
                            as for example if the senate should discuss whether it should deliver
                            the Fabii to the Gauls when the latter threaten war, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">See Livy, v. 36.</note> or Gaius
                            Caesar should deliberate whether he should persist in the invasion of
                            Germany, when his soldiers on all sides are making their wills. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> See Caesar, <hi rend="italic">Gallic War,</hi> i. 39, where this detail is recorded, also 40
                                where the speech made to his troops is given. </note> These
                            deliberative themes are of a twofold nature. </p></div><div n="20" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> In the first case the reason for deliberation is the Gallic threat of
                            war, but there may still be a further question as to whether even
                            without such threat of war they should surrender those who, contrary to
                            the law of nations, took part in a battle when they had been sent out as
                            ambassadors and killed the king with whom they had received instructions
                            to treat. </p></div><div n="21" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> In the second case Caesar would doubtless never deliberate on the
                            question at all, but for the perturbation shown by his soldiers; but
                            there is still room for enquiry whether quite apart from this occurrence
                            it <pb n="v1-3 p.491"/> would be wise to penetrate into Germany. But it
                            must be remembered that we shall always speak first on that subject
                            which is capable of discussion quite apart from the consequences. </p></div><div n="22" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some have held that the three main considerations in an advisory speech
                            are honour, expediency and necessity. I can find no place for the last.
                            For however great the violence which may threaten us, it may be
                            necessary for us to suffer something, but we are not compelled to do
                            anything; whereas the subject of deliberation is primarily whether we
                            shall do anything. </p></div><div n="23" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Or if by necessity they mean that into which we are driven by fear of
                            worse things, the question will be one of expediency. For example, if a
                            garrison is besieged by overwhelmingly superior forces and, owing to the
                            failure of food and water supplies, discusses surrender to the enemy,
                            and it is urged that it is a matter of necessity, the words
                                <quote>otherwise we shall perish</quote> must needs be added:
                            consequently there is no necessity arising out of the circumstances
                            themselves, for death is a possible alternative. And as a matter of fact
                            the Saguntines <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> In 218 B. C.,
                                when besieged by Hannibal. See Livy, xxi. 14. </note> did not
                            surrender, nor did those who were surrounded on the raft from
                            Opitergium. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> C. Antonius was
                                blockaded in an island off the Dalmatian coast which he held for
                                Caesar 49 B. C. Reinforcements on rafts were sent to his rescue.
                                Most were captured; but in one case, of a raft carrying 1,000 men
                                from Opitergium in Venetia, surrender was scorned and the men slew
                                each other rather than yield. See Lucan, iv. 462; Florus, ii. 33.
                            </note>
                     </p></div><div n="24" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> It follows that in such cases also the question will be either one of
                            expediency alone or of a choice between expediency and honour.
                                <quote>But,</quote> it will be urged, <quote>if a man would beget
                                children, he is under the necessity of taking a wife.</quote>
                            Certainly. But he who wishes to become a father must needs be quite
                            clear that he must take a wife. </p></div><div n="25" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> It appears to me, therefore, that where necessity exists, there is no
                            room for deliberation, any more than where it is clear that a thing is
                                <pb n="v1-3 p.493"/> not feasible. For deliberation is always
                            concerned with questions where some doubt exists. Those therefore are
                            wiser who make the third consideration for deliberative oratory to be
                                <foreign xml:lang="grc">τὸ δυνατόν</foreign> or
                                <quote>possibility</quote> as we translate it; the translation may
                            seem clumsy, but it is the only word available. </p></div><div n="26" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> That all these considerations need not necessarily obtrude themselves in
                            every case is too obvious to need explanation. Most writers, however,
                            say that there are more than three. But the further considerations which
                            they would add are really but <hi rend="italic">species</hi> of the
                            three <hi rend="italic">general</hi> considerations just mentioned. For
                            right, justice, piety, equity and mercy (for thus they translate
                                <foreign xml:lang="grc">τὸ</foreign>
                        <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἥμερον</foreign> ), with any other virtues that anyone may be
                            pleased to add, all come under the heading of that which is honourable.
                        </p></div><div n="27" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> On the other hand, if the question be whether a thing is easy, great,
                            pleasant or free from danger, it comes under questions of expediency.
                            Such topics arise from some contradiction; for example a thing is
                            expedient, but difficult, or trivial, or unpleasant, or dangerous. </p></div><div n="28" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some however hold that at times deliberation is concerned solely with
                            the question whether a thing is pleasant, as for instance when
                            discussion arises as to whether a theatre should be built or games
                            instituted. But in my opinion you will never find any man such a slave
                            to luxury as not to consider anything but pleasure when he delivers an
                            advisory speech. </p></div><div n="29" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For there must needs be something on every occasion that takes
                            precedence of pleasure: in proposing the institution of public games
                            there is the honour due to the gods; in proposing the erection of a
                            theatre the orator will consider the advantages to be derived from
                            relaxation from toil, and the unbecoming and undesirable struggle for
                            places which will arise if <pb n="v1-3 p.495"/> there is no proper
                            accommodation; religion, too, has its place in the discussion, for we
                            shall describe the theatre as a kind of temple for the solemnization of
                            a sacred feast. </p></div><div n="30" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Often again we shall urge that honour must come before expediency; as
                            for instance when we advise the men of Opitergium not to surrender to
                            the enemy, even though refusal to do so means certain death. At times on
                            the other hand we prefer expediency to honour, as when we advise the
                            arming of slaves in the Punic War. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">After the battle of Cannae: Livy, xxii.
                                57.</note>
                     </p></div><div n="31" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But even in this case we must not openly admit that such a course is
                            dishonourable: we can point out that all men are free by nature and
                            composed of the same elements, while the slaves in question may perhaps
                            be sprung from some ancient and noble stock; and in the former case when
                            the danger is so evident, we may add other arguments, such as that they
                            would perish even more cruelly if they surrendered, should the enemy
                            fail to keep faith, or Caesar (a more probable supposition) prove
                            victorious. </p></div><div n="32" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But in such a conflict of principles it is usual to modify the names
                            which we give them. For expediency is often ruled out by those who
                            assert not merely that honour comes before expediency, but that nothing
                            can be expedient that is not honourable, while others say that what we
                            call honour is vanity, ambition and folly, as contemptible in substance
                            as it is fair in sound. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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