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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="4" type="textpart" subtype="chapter"><div n="25" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Other <hi rend="italic">theses</hi> too belong entirely to the
                            deliberative class of oratory, as for instance the questions as to
                                <quote>Whether marriage is desirable</quote> or <quote>Whether a
                                public career is a proper object of ambition.</quote> Put such
                            discussions into the mouths of specific persons and they become
                            deliberative declamations at once. </p></div><div n="26" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> My own teachers used to prepare us for conjectural cases by a form of
                            exercise which was at once useful and attractive: they made us discuss
                            and develop questions such as <quote>Why in Sparta is Venus represented
                                as wearing armour?</quote>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">
                                The reason according to Lactantius ( <hi rend="italic">Inst.
                                    Div.</hi> i. 20) was the bravery of the Spartan women in one of
                                the Messenian wars. </note> or <quote>Why is Cupid believed to be a
                                winged boy armed with arrows and a torch?</quote> and the like. In
                            these exercises our aim was to discover the intention implied, a
                            question which frequently occurs in controversial declamations. Such
                            themes may perhaps be regarded as a kind of <hi rend="italic">chria</hi>
                            or moral essay. </p></div><div n="27" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> That certain topics such as the question as to <pb n="v1-3 p.239"/>
                            whether we should always believe a witness or whether we should rely on
                            circumstantial evidence, are part and parcel of actual forensic pleading
                            is so obvious that certain speakers, men too who have held civil office
                            with no small distinction, have written out passages dealing with such
                            themes, committed them to memory and kept them ready for immediate use,
                            with a view to employing them when occasion arose as a species of
                            ornament to be inserted into their extempore speeches. </p></div><div n="28" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> This practice— for I am not going to postpone expressing my judgment on
                            it—I used to regard a confession of extreme weakness. For how can such
                            men find appropriate arguments in the course of actual cases which
                            continually present new and different features? How can they answer the
                            points that their opponents may bring up? how deal a rapid counterstroke
                            in debate or cross-examine a witness? if, even in those matters which
                            are of common occurrence and crop up in the majority of cases, they
                            cannot give expression to the most familiar thoughts except in words
                            prepared so far in advance. </p></div><div n="29" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> And when they produce the same passage in a number of different cases,
                            they must come to loathe it like food that has grown cold or stale, and
                            they can hardly avoid a feeling of shame at displaying this miserable
                            piece of furniture to an audience whose memory must have detected it so
                            many times already: like the furniture of the ostentatious poor, it is
                            sure to shew signs of wear through being used for such a variety of
                            different purposes. </p></div><div n="30" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Also it must be remembered that there is hardly a single commonplace of
                            such universal application that it will fit any actual case, unless some
                            special link is provided to connect it with <pb n="v1-3 p.241"/> the
                            subject: otherwise it will seem to have been tacked on to the speech,
                            not interwoven in its texture, </p></div><div n="31" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> either because it is out of keeping with the circumstances or like most
                            of its kind is inappropriately employed not because it is wanted, but
                            because it is ready for use. Some speakers, for example, introduce the
                            most long-winded commonplaces just for the sake of the sentiments they
                            contain, whereas rightly the sentiments should spring from the context.
                        </p></div><div n="32" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Such disquisitions are at once ornamental and useful, only if they arise
                            from the nature of the case. But the most finished eloquence, unless it
                            tend to the winning of the case, is to say the least superfluous and may
                            even defeat its own purpose. However I must bring this digression to a
                            close. </p></div><div n="33" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> The praise or denunciation of laws requires greater powers; indeed they
                            should almost be equal to the most serious tasks of rhetoric. The answer
                            to the question as to whether this exercise is more nearly related to
                            deliberative or controversial oratory depends on custom and law and
                            consequently varies in different states. Among the Greeks the proposer
                            of a law was called upon to set forth his case before a judge, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">i.e.</hi> a
                                court of <hi rend="italic">nomothetae</hi> appointed by the Athenian
                                assembly, who examined the provisions of the proposed law. </note>
                            while in Rome it was the custom to urge the acceptance or rejection of a
                            law before the public assembly. But in any case the arguments advanced
                            in such cases are few in number and of a definite type. For there are
                            only three kinds of law, <hi rend="italic">sacred, public</hi> and <hi rend="italic">private.</hi>
                     </p></div><div n="34" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> This division is of rhetorical value chiefly when a law is to be
                            praised. For example the orator may advance from praise to praise by a
                            series of gradations, praising an enactment first because it is <hi rend="italic">law,</hi> secondly because it is <hi rend="italic">public,</hi> and, finally, designed for the support of <hi rend="italic">religion.</hi> As regards the questions <pb n="v1-3 p.243"/> which generally arise, they are common to all
                            cases. </p></div><div n="35" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Doubts may be raised as to whether the mover is legally in a position to
                            propose a law, as happened in the case of Publius Clodius, whose
                            appointment as tribune of the plebs was alleged to be unconstitutional.
                                <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> Clodius was a patrician
                                and got himself made a plebeian by adoption to enable him to hold
                                the tribunate. The question of the legality of this procedure is
                                discussed by Cicero in the <hi rend="italic">de Domo,</hi> 13–17.
                            </note> Or the legality of the proposal itself may be impugned in
                            various ways; it may for instance be urged that the law was not
                            promulgated within seventeen <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">
                                Lit. within the space of three market-days. <hi rend="italic">nundinum</hi> =9 days, the second market-day being the ninth,
                                and forming the last day of the first <hi rend="italic">nundinum</hi> and the first of the second. Similarly the third
                                market-day is the last day of the second <hi rend="italic">nundinum</hi> and the first of the third. </note> days, or was
                            proposed, or is being proposed on an improper day, or in defiance of the
                            tribunicial veto or the auspices or any other legal obstacle, or again
                            that it is contrary to some existing law. </p></div><div n="36" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But such points are not suitable to elementary rhetorical exercises,
                            which are not concerned with persons, times or particular cases. Other
                            subjects, whether the dispute be real or fictitious, are generally
                            treated on the following lines. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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