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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="20" type="textpart" subtype="chapter"><div n="10" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p><quote>But,</quote> it may be urged, <quote> a bad man will at times
                                produce an <hi rend="italic">exordium</hi> or a <hi rend="italic">statement of facts,</hi> and will argue a case in a manner that
                                leaves nothing to be desired. </quote> No doubt; even a robber may
                            fight bravely without courage ceasing to be a virtue; even a wicked
                            slave may bear torture without a groan, and we may still continue to
                            regard endurance of pain as worthy of praise. We can point to many acts
                            which are identical with those of virtue, but spring from other sources.
                            However, what I have said here must suffice, as I have already dealt
                            with the question of the usefulness of oratory. <pb n="v1-3 p.357"/>
                     </p></div></div><div n="21" type="textpart" subtype="chapter"><div n="1" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> As to the material of oratory, some have asserted that it is speech, as
                            for instance Gorgias <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Gorg.</hi> 449 <hi rend="italic">E.</hi>
                        </note> in
                            the dialogue of Plato. If this view be accepted in the sense that the
                            word <quote>speech</quote> is used of a discourse composed on any
                            subject, then it is not the material, but the work, just as a statue is
                            the work of the sculptor. For speeches like statues require art for
                            their production. If on the other hand we interpret
                                <quote>speech</quote> as indicating the words themselves, they can
                            do nothing unless they are related to facts. Some again hold that the
                            material consists of persuasive arguments. But they form part of the
                            work, are produced by art and require material themselves. </p></div><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some say that political questions provide the material. The mistake made
                            by these lies not in the quality of their opinion but in its limitation.
                            For political questions are material for eloquence but not the only
                            material. </p></div><div n="3" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some, on the ground that rhetoric is a virtue, make the material with
                            which it deals to be the whole of life. Others, on the ground that life
                            regarded as a whole does not provide material for every virtue, since
                            most of them are concerned only with departments of life (justice,
                            courage and self-control each having their own duties and their own
                            end), would consequently restrict oratory to one particular department
                            of life and place it in the practical or pragmatic department of ethics,
                            that is to say the department of morals which deals with the business of
                            life. </p></div><div n="4" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For my own part, and I have authority to support me, I hold that the
                            material of rhetoric is composed of everything that may be placed before
                            it as a subject for speech. Plato, if I read him aright, makes Socrates
                                <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Gorg.</hi> 449 E. </note> say to Gorgias that its material is
                            to be <pb n="v1-3 p.359"/> found in things not words; while in the <hi rend="italic">Phaedrus</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Phaedr.</hi> 261 A. </note> he clearly proves
                            that rhetoric is concerned not merely with law-courts and public
                            assemblies, but with private and domestic affairs as well: from which it
                            is obvious that this was the view of Plato himself. </p></div><div n="5" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Cicero also in a passage <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">de Inv.</hi> i. 5. </note> of one of his works,
                            states that the material of rhetoric is composed of the things which are
                            brought before it, but makes certain restrictions as to the nature of
                            these things. In another passage, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">de Or.</hi> I. vi. 21.
                                    <quote>I will not demand omniscience from an orator,
                                    although</quote> etc. </note> however, he expresses his opinion
                            that the orator has to speak about all kinds of things; I will quote his
                            actual words: <quote> although the very meaning of the name of orator
                                and the fact that he professes to speak well seem to imply a promise
                                and undertaking that the orator will speak with elegance and
                                fullness on any subject that may be put before him. </quote>
                     </p></div><div n="6" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> And in another passage <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">ib.</hi> iii. xiv. 54. </note> he says, <quote> It
                                is the duty of the true orator to seek out, hear, read, discuss,
                                handle and ponder everything that befalls in the life of man, since
                                it is with this that the orator is concerned and this that forms the
                                material with which he has to deal. </quote>
                     </p></div><div n="7" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But this material, as we call it, that is to say the things brought
                            before it, has been criticised by some, at times on the ground that it
                            is limitless, and sometimes on the ground that it is not peculiar to
                            oratory, which they have therefore dubbed a <hi rend="italic">discursive</hi> art, because all is grist that comes to its mill.
                        </p></div><div n="8" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> I have no serious quarrel with these critics, for they acknowledge that
                            rhetoric is concerned with every kind of material, though they deny that
                            it has any peculiar material just because of that material's
                            multiplicity. But in spite of this multiplicity, rhetoric is not
                            unlimited in scope, and there are other minor <pb n="v1-3 p.361"/> arts
                            whose material is characterised by the same multiplicity: such for
                            instance is architecture, which deals with everything that is useful for
                            the purpose of building: such too is the engraver's art which works on
                            gold, silver, bronze, iron. </p></div><div n="9" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> As for sculpture, its activity extends to wood, ivory, marble, glass and
                            precious stones in addition to the materials already mentioned. </p></div><div n="10" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> And things which form the material for other artists, do not for that
                            reason cease forthwith to be material for rhetoric. For if I ask what is
                            the material of the sculptor, I shall be told bronze; and if I ask what
                            is the material of the maker of vessels (I refer to the craft styled
                                <foreign xml:lang="grc">χαλκευτική</foreign> by the Greeks), the
                            answer will again be bronze: and yet there is all the difference in the
                            world between vessels and statues. </p></div><div n="11" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Similarly medicine will not cease to be an art, because, like the art of
                            the gymnast, it prescribes rubbing with oil and exercise, or because it
                            deals with diet like the art of cookery. </p></div><div n="12" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Again, the objection that to discourse of what is good, expedient or
                            just is the duty of philosophy presents no difficulty. For when such
                            critics speak of a philosopher, they mean a good man. Why then should I
                            feel surprised to find that the orator whom I identify with the good man
                            deals with the same material? </p></div><div n="13" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> There is all the less reason, since I have already shown in the first
                            book <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> Pref. § 10 <hi rend="italic">sqq.</hi>
                        </note> that philosophers only usurped
                            this department of knowledge after it had been abandoned by the orators:
                            it was always the peculiar property of rhetoric and the philosophers are
                            really trespassers. Finally, since the discussion of whatever is brought
                            before it is the task of dialectic, which is really a concise form of
                            oratory, why should not this task be regarded as also being the
                            appropriate material for continuous oratory? <pb n="v1-3 p.363"/> There
                            is a further objection made by certain critics, who say <quote> Well
                                then, <milestone n="14" unit="section"/> if an orator has to speak
                                on every subject, he must be the master of all the arts. </quote> I
                            might answer this criticism in the words of Cicero, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">de Or.</hi> I.
                                vi. 20. </note> in whom I find the following passage:— <quote> In my
                                opinion no one can be an absolutely perfect orator unless he has
                                acquired a knowledge of all important subjects and arts. </quote> I
                            however regard it as sufficient that an orator should not be actually
                            ignorant of the subject on which he has to speak. </p></div><div n="15" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For he cannot have a knowledge of all causes, and yet he should be able
                            to speak on all. On what then will he speak? On those which he has
                            studied. Similarly as regards the arts, he will study those concerning
                            which he has to speak, as occasion may demand, and will speak on those
                            which he has studied. </p></div><div n="16" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> What then?—I am asked—will not a builder speak better on the subject of
                            building and a musician on music? Certainly, if the orator does not know
                            what is the question at issue. Even an illiterate peasant who is a party
                            to a suit will speak better on behalf of his case than an orator who
                            does not know what the subject in dispute may be. But on the other hand
                            if the orator receive instruction from the builder or the musician, he
                            will put forward what he has thus learned better than either, just as he
                            will plead a case better than his client, once he has been instructed in
                            it. </p></div><div n="17" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> The builder and the musician will, however, speak on the subject of
                            their respective arts, if there should be any technical point which
                            requires to be established. Neither will be an orator, but he will
                            perform his task like an orator, just as when an untrained person binds
                            up a <pb n="v1-3 p.365"/> wound, he will not be a physician, but he will
                            be acting as one. </p></div><div n="18" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Is it suggested that such topics never crop up in panegyric,
                            deliberative or forensic oratory? When the question of the construction
                            of a port at Ostia came up for discussion, had not the orator to state
                            his views? And yet it was a subject requiring the technical knowledge of
                            the architect. </p></div><div n="19" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Does not the orator discuss the question whether livid spots and
                            swellings on the body are symptomatic of ill-health or poison? And yet
                            that is a question for the qualified physician. Will he not deal with
                            measurements and figures? And yet we must admit that they form part of
                            mathematics. For my part I hold that practically all subjects are under
                            certain circumstances liable to come up for treatment by the orator. If
                            the circumstances do not occur, the subjects will not concern him. </p></div><div n="20" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> We were therefore right in asserting that the material of rhetoric is
                            composed of everything that comes before the orator for treatment, an
                            assertion which is confirmed by the practice of everyday speech. For
                            when we have been given a subject on which to speak, we often preface
                            our remarks by calling attention to the fact that the matter has been
                            laid before us. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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