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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="17" type="textpart" subtype="chapter"><div n="20" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Again when the Spartan Theopompus changed clothes with his wife and
                            escaped from custody disguised as a woman, he deceived his guards, but
                            was not for a moment deceived as to his own identity. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">Probably a king of Sparta,
                                770–720 B.C.</note> Similarly an orator, when he substitutes
                            falsehood for the truth, is aware of the falsehood and of the fact that
                            he is substituting it for the truth. </p></div><div n="21" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> He therefore deceives others, but not himself. When Cicero boasted that
                            he had thrown dust in the eyes of the jury in the case of Cluentius, he
                            was far from being blinded himself. And when a painter by his artistic
                            skill makes us believe that certain objects project from the picture,
                            while others are withdrawn into the background, he knows perfectly well
                            that they are really all in the same plane. </p></div><div n="22" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> My opponents further assert that every art has some definite goal
                            towards which it directs its efforts, but that rhetoric as a rule has no
                            such goal, while at other times it professes to have an aim, but fails
                            to perform its promise. They lie: I have already shown that rhetoric has
                            a definite purpose and have explained what it is. </p></div><div n="23" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> And, what is more, the orator will always make good his professions in
                            this respect, for he will always speak well. On the other hand this
                            criticism may perhaps hold good as against those who think persuasion
                            the end of oratory. But our orator and his art, as we define it, are
                            independent of results. The speaker aims at victory, it is true, but if
                            he speaks well, he has lived up to the ideals of his art, even if he is
                            defeated. </p></div><div n="24" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Similarly a pilot will desire <pb n="v1-3 p.337"/> to bring his ship
                            safe to harbour; but if he is swept out of his course by a storm, he
                            will not for that reason cease to be a pilot, but will say in the
                            wellknown words of the old poet <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> Ennius, <hi rend="italic">Ann.</hi> 483
                                (Vahlen). </note>
                        <quote>Still let me steer straight on!</quote>
                     </p></div><div n="25" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> So too the doctor seeks to heal the sick; but if the violence of the
                            disease or the refusal of the patient to obey his regimen or any other
                            circumstance prevent his achieving his purpose, he will not have fallen
                            short of the ideals of his art, provided he has done everything
                            according to reason. So too the orator's purpose is fulfilled if he has
                            spoken well. For the art of rhetoric, as I shall show later, is realised
                            in action, not in the result obtained. </p></div><div n="26" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> From this it follows that there is no truth in yet another argument
                            which contends that arts know when they have attained their end, whereas
                            rhetoric does not. For every speaker is aware when he is speaking well.
                            These critics also charge rhetoric with doing what no art does, namely
                            making use of vices to serve its ends, since it speaks the thing that is
                            not and excites the passions. </p></div><div n="27" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But there is no disgrace in doing either of these things, as long as the
                            motive be good: consequently there is nothing vicious in such action.
                            Even a philosopher is at times permitted to tell a lie, while the orator
                            must needs excite the passions, if that be the only way by which he can
                            lead the judge to do justice. </p></div><div n="28" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For judges are not always enlightened and often have to be tricked to
                            prevent them falling into error. Give me philosophers as judges, pack
                            senates and assemblies with philosophers, and you will destroy the power
                            of hatred, influence, prejudice and false witness; consequently there
                            will be very little scope for eloquence whose value will lie almost
                            entirely in its power to charm. </p></div><div n="29" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But if, as is <pb n="v1-3 p.339"/> the case, our hearers are fickle of
                            mind, and truth is exposed to a host of perils, we must call in art to
                            aid us in the fight and employ such means as will help our case. He who
                            has been driven from the right road cannot be brought back to it save by
                            a fresh detour. </p></div><div n="30" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> The point, however, that gives rise to the greatest number of these
                            captious accusations against rhetoric, is found in the allegation that
                            orators speak indifferently on either side of a case. From which they
                            draw the following arguments: no art is self-contradictory, but rhetoric
                            does contradict itself; no art tries to demolish what itself has built,
                            but this does happen in the operations of rhetoric; or again:— rhetoric
                            teaches either what ought to be said or what ought not to be said;
                            consequently it is not an art because it teaches what ought not to be
                            said, or because, while it teaches what ought to be said, it also
                            teaches precisely the opposite. </p></div><div n="31" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Now it is obvious that all such charges are brought against that type of
                            rhetoric with which neither good men nor virtue herself will have
                            anything to do; since if a case be based on injustice, rhetoric has no
                            place therein and consequently it can scarcely happen even under the
                            most exceptional circumstances that an orator, that is to say, a good
                            man, will speak indifferently on either side. </p></div><div n="32" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Still it is in the nature of things conceivable that just causes may
                            lead two wise men to take different sides, since it is held that wise
                            men may fight among themselves, provided that they do so at the bidding
                            of reason. I will therefore reply to their criticisms in such a way that
                            it will be clear that these arguments have no force even against those
                            who concede the name of orator to persons of bad character. For rhetoric
                            is not self-contradictory. </p></div><div n="33" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> The conflict is <pb n="v1-3 p.341"/> between case and case, not between
                            rhetoric and itself. And even if persons who have learned the same thing
                            fight one another, that does not prove that what they have learned is
                            not an art. Were that so, there could be no art of arms, since
                            gladiators trained under the same master are often matched against each
                            other; </p></div><div n="34" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> nor would the pilot's art exist, because in sea-fights pilots may be
                            found on different sides; nor yet could there be an art of generalship,
                            since general is pitted against general. In the same way rhetoric does
                            not undo its own work. For the orator does not refute his own arguments,
                            nor does rhetoric even do so, because those who regard persuasion as its
                            end, or the two good men whom chance has matched against one another
                            seek merely for probabilities: and the fact that one thing is more
                            credible than another, does not involve contradiction between the two.
                        </p></div><div n="35" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> There is no absolute antagonism between the probable and the more
                            probable, just as there is none between that which is white and that
                            which is whiter, or between that which is sweet and that which is
                            sweeter. Nor does rhetoric ever teach that which ought not to be said,
                            or that which is contrary to what ought to be said, but solely what
                            ought to be said in each individual case. </p></div><div n="36" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But though the orator will as a rule maintain what is true, this will
                            not always be the case: there are occasions when the public interest
                            demands that he should defend what is untrue. The following objections
                            are also put forward in the second book of Cicero's <hi rend="italic">de
                                Oratore:</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">II. vii.
                                30.</note> — <quote> Art deals with things that are known. But the
                                pleading of an orator is based entirely on opinion, not on
                                knowledge, because he speaks to an audience who do not know, <pb n="v1-3 p.343"/> and sometimes himself states things of which he
                                has no actual knowledge. </quote>
                     </p></div><div n="37" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Now one of these points, namely whether the judges have knowledge of
                            what is being said to them, has nothing to do with the art of oratory.
                            The other statement, that art is concerned with things that are known,
                            does however require an answer. Rhetoric is the art of speaking well and
                            the orator knows how to speak well. </p></div><div n="38" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p><quote>But,</quote> it is urged, <quote>he does not know whether what he
                                says is true.</quote> Neither do they, who assert that all things
                            derive their origin from fire or water or the four elements or
                            indivisible atoms; nor they who calculate the distances of the stars or
                            the size of the earth and sun. And yet all these call the subject which
                            they teach an art. But if reason makes them seem not merely to hold
                            opinions but, thanks to the cogency of the proofs adduced, to have
                            actual knowledge, reason will do the same service to the orator. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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