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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="15" type="textpart" subtype="chapter"><div n="13" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some on the other hand pay no attention to results, as for example
                            Aristotle, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Rhet.</hi> i. 2. </note> who says <quote><hi rend="italic">rhetoric is the power of discovering all means of persuading by
                                    speech.</hi></quote> This definition has not merely the fault
                            already mentioned, but the additional defect of including merely the
                            power of invention, which without style cannot possibly constitute
                            oratory. </p></div><div n="14" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Hermagoras, who asserts that its end is to <hi rend="italic">speak
                                persuasively,</hi> and others who express the same opinion, though
                            in different words, and inform us that the end is to <hi rend="italic">say everything which ought to be said with a view to
                                persuasion,</hi> have been sufficiently answered above, when I
                            proved that persuasion was not the privilege of the orator alone. </p></div><div n="15" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Various additions have been made to these definitions. For some hold
                            that rhetoric is concerned with everything, while some restrict its
                            activity to politics. The question as to which of these views is the
                            nearer to the truth shall be discussed later in its appropriate place.
                        </p></div><div n="16" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Aristotle seems to have implied that the sphere of the orator was
                            all-inclusive when he defined rhetoric as the <hi rend="italic"> power
                                to detect every element in any given subject which might conduce to
                                persuasion; </hi> so too does Patrocles who omits the words <hi rend="italic">in any given subject,</hi> but since he excludes
                            nothing, shows that his view is identical. For he defines rhetoric as
                            the <hi rend="italic">power to discover whatever is persuasive in
                                speech.</hi> These definitions like that quoted above include no
                            more than the power of <hi rend="italic">invention</hi> alone. Theodorus
                            avoids this fault and holds that it is the <hi rend="italic"> power to
                                discover and to utter forth in elegant language whatever is credible
                                in every subject of oratory. </hi>
                     </p></div><div n="17" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But, while others besides <pb n="v1-3 p.309"/> orators may discover what
                            is credible as well as persuasive, by adding the words <hi rend="italic">in every subject</hi> he, to a greater extent than the others,
                            concedes the fairest name in all the world to those who use their gifts
                            as an incitement to crime </p></div><div n="18" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> . Plato makes Gorgias <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Gorg.</hi> 454 B. </note> say that he is a master
                            of persuasion in the law-courts and other assemblies, and that his
                            themes are justice and injustice, while in reply Socrates allows him the
                            power of persuading, but not of teaching. </p></div><div n="19" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Those who refused to make the sphere of oratory allinclusive, have been
                            obliged to make somewhat forced and long-winded distinctions: among
                            these I may mention Ariston, the pupil of the Peripatetic Critolaus, who
                            produced the following definition, <quote><hi rend="italic"> Rhetoric is
                                    the science of seeing and uttering what ought to be said on
                                    political questions in language that is likely to prove
                                    persuasive to the people. </hi></quote>
                     </p></div><div n="20" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Being a Peripatetic he regards it as a science, not, like the Stoics, as
                            a virtue, while in adding the words <quote><hi rend="italic">likely to
                                    prove persuasie to the people</hi></quote> he inflicts a
                            positive insult on oratory, in implying that it is not likely to
                            persuade the learned. The same criticism will apply to all those who
                            restrict oratory to political questions, for they exclude thereby a
                            large number of the duties of an orator, as for example panegyric, the
                            third department of oratory, which is entirely ignored. </p></div><div n="21" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Turning to those who regard rhetoric as an art, but not as a virtue, we
                            find that Theodorus of Gadara is more cautious. For he says (I quote the
                            words of his translators), <quote><hi rend="italic"> rhetoric is the art
                                    which discovers and judges and expresses, mith an elegance duly
                                    proportioned to the importance of all such elements of
                                    persuasion as may exist in any subject in the field of politics.
                                </hi></quote>
                     </p></div><div n="22" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Similarly Cornelius Celsus defines the end of rhetoric as <pb n="v1-3 p.311"/>
                        <hi rend="italic">to speak persuasively on any
                                doubtful subject within the field of politics.</hi> Similar
                            definitions are given by others, such for instance as the following:—
                                    <quote><hi rend="italic"> rhetoric is the power of judging and
                                    holding forth on such political subjects as come before it with
                                    a certain persuasiveness, a certain action of the body and
                                    delivery of the words. </hi></quote>
                     </p></div><div n="23" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> There are countless other definitions, either identical with this or
                            composed of the same elements, which I shall deal with when I come to
                            the questions concerned with the subject matter of rhetoric. Some regard
                            it as neither a power, a science or an art; Critolaus calls it the <hi rend="italic">practice of speaking</hi> (for this is the meaning of
                                <foreign xml:lang="grc">τριβή</foreign> ), Athenaeus styles it the
                                <hi rend="italic">art of deceiving,</hi>
                     </p></div><div n="24" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> while the majority, content with reading a few passages from the Gorgias
                            of Plato, unskilfully excerpted by earlier writers, refrain from
                            studying that dialogue and the remainder of Plato's writings, and
                            thereby fall into serious error. For they believe that in Plato's view
                            rhetoric was not an art, but a certain <hi rend="italic">adroitness in
                                the production of delight and gratification,</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Gorg.</hi> 462
                                c. </note>
                     </p></div><div n="25" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> or with reference to another passage the <hi rend="italic">shadow of a
                                small part of politics</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">ib.</hi> 463 <hi rend="italic">p.</hi>
                        </note>
                            and the <hi rend="italic">fourth department of flattery.</hi> For Plato
                            assigns <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">ib.</hi> 464 B. </note> two departments of politics to the
                            body, namely medicine and gymnastic, and two to the soul, namely law and
                            justice, while he styles the art of cookery <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">ib.</hi> 464 B-465 E. </note>
                            a form of flattery of medicine, the art of the slave-dealer a flattery
                            of gymnastic, for they produce a false complexion by the use of paint
                            and a false robustness by puffing them out with fat: sophistry he calls
                            a dishonest counterfeit of legal science, and rhetoric of justice. </p></div><div n="26" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> All these statements occur in the <hi rend="italic">Gorgias</hi> and are
                            uttered by Socrates who appears to be the <pb n="v1-3 p.313"/>
                            mouthpiece of the views held by Plato. But some of his dialogues were
                            composed merely to refute his opponents and are styled <hi rend="italic">refutative,</hi> while others are for the purpose of teaching and
                            are called <hi rend="italic">doctrinal.</hi>
                     </p></div><div n="27" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Now it is only rhetoric as practised in their own day that is condemned
                            by Plato or Socrates, for he speaks of it as <quote>the manner in which
                                you engage in public affairs</quote>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">500 c.</note> : rhetoric in itself he regards as
                            a genuine and honourable thing, and consequently the controversy with
                            Gorgias ends with the words, <quote>The rhetorician therefore must be
                                just and the just man desirous to do what is just.</quote>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">460 c.</note>
                     </p></div><div n="28" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> To this Gorgias makes no reply, but the argument is taken up by Polus, a
                            hot-headed and headstrong young fellow, and it is to him that Socrates
                            makes his remarks about <quote>shadows</quote> and <quote>forms of
                                flattery.</quote> Then Callicles, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">508 c.</note> who is even more hot-headed,
                            intervenes, but is reduced to the conclusion that <quote>he who would
                                truly be a rhetorician ought to be just and possess a knowledge of
                                justice.</quote> It is clear therefore that Plato does not regard
                            rhetoric as an evil, but holds that true rhetoric is impossible for any
                            save a just and good man. In the <hi rend="italic">Phaedrus</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">261 A-273 E.</note>
                     </p></div><div n="29" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> he makes it even clearer that the complete attainment of this art is
                            impossible without the knowledge of justice, an opinion in which I
                            heartily concur. Had this not been his view, would he have ever written
                            the Apology of Socrates or the Funeral Oration <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Menexenus.</hi></note> in
                            praise of those who had died in battle for their country, both of them
                            works falling within the sphere of oratory. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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