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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="1" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="10" type="textpart" subtype="chapter"><div n="5" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For when the philosophers describe the ideal sage who is to be
                            consummate in all knowledge and a very god incarnate, as they say, they
                            would have him receive instruction not merely in the knowledge of things
                            human and divine, but would also lead him through a course of subjects,
                            which in themselves are comparatively trivial, as for instance the
                            elaborate subtleties of formal logic: not that acquaintance <pb n="v1-3 p.163"/> with the so called <quote>horn</quote>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> You have what you have not
                                lost: you have not lost horns: therefore you have horns. </note> or
                                <quote>crocodile</quote>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> A
                                crocodile, having seized a woman's son, said that he would restore
                                him, if she would tell him the truth. She replied, <quote>You will
                                    not restore him.</quote>
                           <hi rend="italic">Was</hi> it the
                                crocodile's duty to give him up? </note> problems can make a man
                            wise, but because it is important that he should never trip even in the
                            smallest trifles. </p></div><div n="6" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> So too the teacher of geometry, music or other subjects which I would
                            class with these, will not be able to create the perfect orator (who
                            like the philosopher ought to be a wise man), but none the less these
                            arts will assist in his perfection. I may draw a parallel from the use
                            of antidotes and other remedies applied to the eyes or to wounds. We
                            know that these are composed of ingredients which produce many and
                            sometimes contrary effects, but mixed together they make a single
                            compound resembling no one of its component parts, but deriving its
                            peculiar properties from all: </p></div><div n="7" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> so too dumb insects produce honey, whose taste is beyond the skill of
                            man to imitate, from different kinds of flowers and juices. Shall we
                            marvel then, if oratory, the highest gift of providence to man, needs
                            the assistance of many arts, which, although they do not reveal or
                            intrude themselves in actual speaking, supply hidden forces and make
                            their silent presence felt? </p></div><div n="8" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p><quote>But</quote> it will be urged <quote>men have proved fluent without
                                their aid.</quote> Granted, but I am in quest of an orator.
                                <quote>Their contribution is but small.</quote> Yes, but we shall
                            never attain completeness, if minor details be lacking. And it will be
                            agreed that though our ideal of perfection may dwell on a height that is
                            hard to gain, it is our duty to teach all we know, that achievement may
                            at least come somewhat nearer the goal. But why should our courage fail?
                            The perfect orator is not contrary to the laws of nature, and it is
                            cowardly to despair of anything that is within the bounds of
                            possibility. <pb n="v1-3 p.165"/> For myself I should be ready to accept
                            the verdict of antiquity. </p></div><div n="9" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Who is ignorant of the fact that music, of which I will speak first, was
                            in ancient times the object not merely of intense study but of
                            veneration: in fact Orpheus and Linus, to mention no others, were
                            regarded as uniting the roles of musician, poet and philosopher. Both
                            were of divine origin, while the former, because by the marvel of his
                            music he soothed the savage breast, is recorded to have drawn after him
                            not merely beasts of the wild, but rocks and trees. </p></div><div n="10" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> So too Timagenes asserts that music is the oldest of the arts related to
                            literature, a statement which is confirmed by the testimony of the
                            greatest of poets in whose songs we read that the praise of heroes and
                            of gods were sung to the music of the lyre at the feasts of kings. Does
                            not lopas, the Vergilian bard, sing <quote rend="blockquote"><cit><quote><l part="N">The wandering moon and labours of the
                                        Sun</l></quote><bibl default="false">Aen. i. 742.</bibl></cit></quote> and the like? whereby the supreme poet manifests most
                            clearly that music is united with the knowledge even of things divine.
                        </p></div><div n="11" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> If this be admitted, music will be a necessity even for an orator, since
                            those fields of knowledge, which were annexed by philosophy on their
                            abandonment by oratory, once were ours and without the knowledge of all
                            such things there can be no perfect eloquence. </p></div><div n="12" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> There can in any case be no doubt that some of those men whose wisdom is
                            a household word have been earnest students of music: Pythagoras for
                            instance and his followers popularised the belief, which they no doubt
                            had received from earlier teachers, that the universe is constructed on
                            the same principles which were afterwards imitated in <pb n="v1-3 p.167"/> the construction of the lyre, and not content merely with emphasising
                            that concord of discordant elements which they style harmony attributed
                            a sound to the motions of the celestial bodies. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> The music of the spheres: <hi rend="italic">cp.</hi> the vision of Er in Plato ( <hi rend="italic">Rcp.</hi> 10) and the <hi rend="italic">Somnium Scipionis</hi>
                                of Cicero. The sounds produced by the heavenly bodies correspond to
                                the notes of the heptachord. </note>
                     </p></div><div n="13" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> As for Plato, there are certain passages in his works, more especially
                            in the <hi rend="italic">Timaeus,</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Tim.</hi> p. 47. </note> which
                            are quite unintelligible to those who have not studied the theory of
                            music. But why speak only of the philosophers, whose master, Socrates,
                            did not blush to receive instruction in playing the lyre even when far
                            advanced in years? </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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