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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="17"><p><label>TRUTH</label>
You others go: I do not-need to hear what I
have long known all about.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
But it would help us, Truth, if you should join in
the trial and give us information on each point.
</p><p><label>TRUTH</label>
Then shall I bring along these two waitingwomen, who are in very close sympathy with me?
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Yes, indeed, as many as you wish.

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<label>TRUTH</label>
Come with us, Liberty and Free-speech, so that
we may be able to rescue this poor creature, our
admirer, who is facing danger for no just reason.
You, Investigation, may stay where you are.
</p><p><label>FRANKNESS</label>
Hold, my lady: let him come too, if anyone is to
come. Those whom I shall have to fight to-day are
none of your ordinary cattle, but pretentious
fellows, hard to argue down, always finding some
loophole or other, so that Investigation is necessary.
</p><p><label>INVESTIGATION</label>
Yes, most necessary: and you had better take
Proof along too. :
</p><p><label>TRUTH</label>
Come, all of you, since you appear to be necessary
to the case.
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="18"><p><label>PLATO</label>
Do you see that? He is suborning Truth against
us, Philosophy.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Then you, Plato and Chrysippus and Aristotle,
are afraid that she, Truth, may tell some lie ‘in his
behalf?
</p><p><label>PLATO</label>
It isn’t that, but he is terribly unprincipled and
smooth-tongued, so that he will seduce her.

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<label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Have no fear. No injustice will be done while we
have Justice here with us.

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="19"><p>
Let us go up, then.
But tell me, what is your name ?
</p><p><label>FRANKNESS</label>
Mine?  Frankness, son of Truthful, son of
Renowned Investigator.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
And your country?
</p><p><label>FRANKNESS</label>
I am a Syrian, Philosophy, from the banks of the
Euphrates. But what of that? I know that some
of my opponents here are just as foreign-born as I:
but in their manners and culture they are not like
men of Soli or Cyprus or Babylon or Stageira.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.31.n.1"><p>Although they were born there: Chrysippus in Soli, Aristotle in Stageira. No philosopher. mentioned: by name in this piece came from Cyprus or from Babylon, and these allusions are not clear. Perhaps Lucian has in mind Zeno of Citium and Poseidonius of Seleucia on the Tigris.  </p></note> Yet
as far as you are concerned it would make no difference even if a man’s speech were foreign, if only his
way of thinking were manifestly right and just.

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="20"><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
True: it was a needless question, to be sure. But
what is your calling? That at least is worth
knowing.
</p><p><label>FRANKNESS</label>
Iam a bluff-hater, cheat-hater, liar-hater, vanityhater, and hate all that sort of scoundrels, who are
very numerous, as you know.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Heracles! You follow a hateful calling !


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<label>FRANKNESS</label>
You are right. You see, in fact, how many have
come to dislike me and how I am imperilled because
I follow it.
However, I am very well up in the opposite
calling, too: I mean the one with love for a base ;
for I am a truth-lover, a beauty-lover, a simplicitylover, and a lover of all else that is kindred to love.
But there are very few who deserve to have this
calling practised upon them, while those who come
under the other and are closer akin to hatefulness
number untold thousands. So the chances are
that by this time I have lost my skill in the pne
calling for lack of practice, but have become very
expert in the other.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
But that ought not to be so, for if a man can do
the one, they say, he can do the other. So do not
distinguish the two callings; they are but one,
though they seem two.
</p><p><label>FRANKNESS</label>
You know best as to that, Philosophy. For my
part, however, I am so-constituted as to hate rascals
and to commend and love honest men.

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="21"><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Come, now, since we are where we planned to be,
let us hold our court somewhere hereabouts in the
portico of Our Lady of the Citadel.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.33.n.1"><p>Athena Polias, who shared with Erechtheus the temple now known as the Erechtheum.  </p></note> Priestess,
arrange the benches for us. Let us in the meantime
pay our homage to the goddess.


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<label>FRANKNESS</label>
Lady of the Citadel, come to my aid against the
pretenders, remembering how many oaths thou dost
hear them make and break each day, and what they
do thou alone seest, dwelling as thou dost upon a
lookout. Now is thine hour to requite them. If
thou seest that I am being overborne, and that the
black ballots are more than the half, add thou thine
own and set me free.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.35.n.1"><p>Frankness aske of Athena more aid than she generally gave ; for the proverbial ballot of Athena merely decided a tie vote in favour of the defendant, as in the trial of Orestes.  </p></note>

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="22"><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Well and good. Here we are for you, gentlemen,
all seated in readiness to hear the speeches. Choose
one of your number who in your opinion can best
conduct the prosecution, and when you have done so,
build up your complaint and establish your charge ;
it is not feasible for all to speak at once. You,
Frankness, shall make your defence thereafter.
PLATO Which. of us, I wonder, would be the best fitted
to handle the case?
</p><p><label>CHRYSIPPUS</label>
You, Plato. Marvellous sublimity, superlatively
Attic elegance, charm and _ persuasiveness, insight,
subtlety, opportune seductiveness in demonstration—
all this is yours to the full. Accept the spokesmanship, therefore, and say whatever is appropriate
in behalf of us all. Remember now all your former
successes and put together any points you have urged
against Gorgias or Polos or Hippias or Prodicus: this
man is more able than they. So apply a light


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sprinkling of irony, too, put those clever, incessant
questions of yours, and if you think best, also slip it
in somewhere that “great Zeus in heaven driving
his winged car” would be angry if this man should
not be punished.

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="23"><p><label>PLATO</label>
No, let us make use of someone more strenuous—
Diogenes here, or Antisthenes, or Crates, or you
yourself, Chrysippus. For surely what the occasion
demands now is not elegance and literary distinction,
but some degree of argumentative and forensic
equipment: Frankness is a professional speaker.
</p><p><label>DIOGENES</label>
Well, then, I will be prosecutor, for we shall not
require speeches of any great length, I suppose: and
besides, I have been insulted beyond all of you, since
I was auctioned off the other day for two obols.
</p><p><label>PLATO</label>
Diogenes will make the speech, Philosophy, for all
of us. Remember, friend, not just to speak for
yourself in the complaint, but to keep our common
interests in view. If we do disagree with one
another a little in our doctrines, you must not
examine into that, or attempt to say who is the
nearer right, but, in general, make an impassioned
plea for Philosophy herself, because she has been
heaped with insult and shamefully abused in the
dialogues of Freespeaker ; ignore the personal views
wherein we differ, and fight for what we all have
in common. Take note, you are our sole representative and it rests with you whether all our teachings
are to seem worthy of high reverence or to be thought
no better than this man made them out to be.

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</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="24"><p><label>DIOGENES</label>
Do not be alarmed ; we shall not come short: I
will speak in behalf of all. Even if Philosophy,
swayed by his eloquence—for she is naturally kindly
and gentle—determines to acquit him, I for my part
shall not be found wanting, for I will show him that
we do not carry sticks for nothing !
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Not by .any means! Use arguments, rather, for
that is better. Butdo notdelay. The water already
has been poured in,<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.39.n.1"><p>i.e, the water-clock has been filled. </p></note> and the jury has its eyes upon
you.
</p><p><label>FRANKNESS</label>
Let the others<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.39.n.2"><p>The rest of the philosophers, who are to sit on the jury (§ 9).  </p></note> take seats, Philosophy, and cast
their votes with your company, and let Diogenes be
the only prosecutor.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Then are you not afraid they may find you guilty ?
</p><p><label>FRANKNESS</label>
Not at all. In fact, I wish to win by a larger
majority.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
That is handsome of you. Well, then, take your
seats, and you, Diogenes, begin your speech.

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="25"><p><label>DIOGENES</label>
What sort of men we were in life, Philosophy, you
know right well, and I need not discuss that point
at all; for who is not aware how much beauty was
brought into life by Pythagoras here, Plato, Aristotle,
Chrysippus and the others, to say nothing of myself?



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I shall proceed to speak of the insults which, in spite
of our merit, this double-dyed scoundrel Frankness
has dealt us.
He is a public speaker, they say: but abandoning
the courts and the successes to be gained therein, he
concentrated upon us all thé eloquence and power
that he had acquired .in rhetoric, and not only
unceasingly abuses us himself by calling us cheats
and liars, but induces the public to laugh and sneer
at us as if we amounted to nothing at all. More
than that, he has at last made people actually hate
you, Philosophy, as well as us by dubbing your
doctrines stuff and nonsense and rehearsing in
mockery all that is most serious in what you taught
us, so as to get applause and praise from his audience
for himself and contumely for us. The common sort
are that way by nature; they delight in jesters and
buffoons, and most of all when they criticise what is
held in high reverence. Just so in days gone by
they took delight in Aristophanes and Eupolis, who
brought Socrates on the stage to make fun of him
and got up monstrous farces about him.
The playwrights, however, showed their boldness
against only one man, and at the Dionysia, when it
was’ permissible to do so, and the joking was
considered part of the holiday, and
<quote><l>The god, who loves his joke, no doubt was pleased.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.41.n.1"><p>Author unknown.  </p></note></l></quote>



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But this man brings the best people together, after a
long period of thinking and preparing and writing


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down slanders in a thick roll, and then loudly abuses
Plato, Pythagoras, Aristotle here, Chrysippus there,
myself,and in a word, one and all, without the sanction
of a holiday and without having. had anything done
to him personally by us. He would have some excuse
for the thing, of course,if he had acted in self-defence
instead of starting the quarrel.</p><p>
What is worst of all, in doing this sort of thing,
Philosophy, he shelters himself under your name,
and he has suborned Dialogue, our serving-man, employing him against us as a helper and a spokesman.
Moreover, he has actually bribed Menippus,<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.3.p.43.n.1"><p>The Cynic, of Gadara: Lucian’s chief predecessor in satirical prose.  </p></note>a comrade
of ours, to take part in his farces frequently ; he is
the only one who is not here and does not join us
in the prosecution, thereby playing traitor to our
common cause.

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For all this he ought to be punished. What, pray,
can he have to say for himself after ridiculing all that
is most holy before so many witnesses? In fact, it
would be a good thing for them, too, if they were to
see him punished, so that no other man might ever
again sneer at Philosophy; for to keep quiet and
pocket insults might well be thought to betoken
weakness and simplicity rather than self-control.
And who could put up with his last performances ?
Bringing us like slaves to the auction-room and
appointing a crier, he sold us off, they say, some for
a high price, some for an Attic mina, and me, arrant
scoundrel that he is, for two obols! And those
present laughed!</p><p>
On account of this, we ourselves have come up
here in a rage, and we think it right that you for
your part should avenge us because we have been
insulted to the limit.


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</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg025.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="28"><p><label>PLATO</label>
Good, Diogenes! You have splendidly said all
that you ought on behalf of us all.
</p><p><label>PHILOSOPHY</label>
Stop applauding! Pour in the water for the
defendant. Now, Frankness, make your speech in
turn, for the water now is running for you. Don’t
delay, then.

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