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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg024.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg024.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="13"><p><label>ZEUS</label>
Remove him ; bring on another—stay ! those two,
the one from Abdera who laughs and the one from
Ephesus who cries, for I want to sell them together.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.2.p.473.n.1">The Schools of Democritus of Abdera, the propounder of the atomic theory, and of Heraclitus of Ephesus, who originated the doctrine of the flux; he held that fire is the first principle, and its manifestations continually change, so that nothing isstable. Both representatives talk Ionic Greck.</note>

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<label>HERMES</label>
Come down among us, you two. I sell the two
best philosophies; we offer the two that are sagest
of all.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
Zeus ! What a contrast! One of thei never stops
laughing, and the other is apparently mourning a
death, as he weeps incessantly. What is the matter,
man? Why are you laughing?
</p><p><label>DEMOCRITEAN</label>
Dost thou need to ask? Because to me it seemeth
that all your affairs are laughable, and yourselves as
well.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
What, are you laughing at us all, and do you think
nothing of our affairs?
</p><p><label>DEMOCRITEAN</label>
Even so; for there is nothing serious in them, but
everything is a hollow mockery, drift of atoms,
infinitude.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
No indeed, but you yourself are a hollow mockery
in very truth and an infinite ass.

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Oh, what effrontery! Will you never stop laughing? (Zo the other.)
But you, why do youcry? For I think it is much
more becoming to talk with you.
</p><p><label>HERACLITEAN</label>
Because I consider, O stranger, that the affairs of
man are woeful and tearful, and there is naught in
them that is not foredoomed; therefore I pity and
grieve for men. And their present woes I do not
consider great, but those to come in future will be
wholly bitter; I speak of the great conflagrations

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and the collapse of the universe. It is for this that
I grieve, and because nothing is fixed, but all things are in a manner stirred up into porridge, and joy and joylessness, wisdom and unwisdom, great and small are all but the same, circling about, up and down, and interchanging in the game of Eternity.

</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
And what is Eternity ?
</p><p><label>HERACLITEAN</label>
A child playing a game, moving counters, in discord, in concord.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
What are men?
</p><p><label>HERACLITEAN</label>
Mortal gods.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
And the Gods ?
</p><p><label>HERACLITEAN</label>
Immortal men.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
Are you telling riddles, man, or making conundrums? You are just like Apollo, for you say
nothing plainly.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.2.p.477.n.1">Heraclitus was nicknamed ὁ σκοτεινός, “the Obscure.”</note>
<label>HERACLITEAN</label>
Because you matter naught to me.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
Then nobody in his sense will buy you.
</p><p><label>HERACLITEAN</label>
I bid ye go weep, one and all, buy you or buy you
not.

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<label>BUYER</label>
This fellow’s trouble is not far removed from
insanity. However, I for my part will not buy
either of them.
</p><p><label>HERMES</label>
They are left unsold also.
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
Put up another.
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg024.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="15"><p><label>HERMES</label>
Do you want the Athenian over there, who has so
much to say?<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.2.p.479.n.1">Both Socrates and Plato contribute to the picture of the typical Academic. Consequently some editors, misled by the manuscripts (see introductory note) ascribe the part of Academic to Socrates, some to Plato, and some divide it between the two.</note>
<label>ZEUS</label>
By all means.
</p><p><label>HERMES</label>
Come here, sir. We are putting up a righteous
and intelligent philosophy. Who'll buy the height
of sanctity ?
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
Tell me what you know best ?
</p><p><label>ACADEMIC</label>
I am a lover, and wise in matters of love.
</p><p><label>BUYER</label>
How am I to buy you, then? What I wanted was
a tutor for my son, who is handsome.
</p><p><label>ACADEMIC</label>
But who would be more suitable than I to associate
with a handsome lad? It is not the body I love, it
is the soul that I hold beautiful. As a matter of

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fact, even if they lie beneath the same cloak with
me, they will tell you that I have done them no
wrong.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.2.p.481.n.1">See Plato’s Symposium, particularly 216 p-219 D.</note>
<label>BUYER</label>
I can’t believe what you say, that you, though a
lover, take no interest in anything beyond the soul,
even when you have the opportunity, lying beneath
the same cloak.
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