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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="41"><p><label>ZEUS</label>
I say, gods! what a shout the crowd raised,
applauding Damis! Our man seems to be in a fix.

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In fact he is sweating and quaking ; it’s clear he is
going to throw up the sponge, and is already looking
about for a place to slip out and run away.
</p><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
I suppose you don’t think that Euripides is telling
the truth either, when he puts the gods themselves
on the stage and shows them saving the herves and
destroying villains and impious fellows like yourself ?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Why, Timocles, you doughtiest of philosophers, if
the playwrights have convinced you by doing this,
you must needs believe either that Polus and Aristodemus and Satyrus are gods for the nonce, or that
the very masks representing the gods, the buskins, the trailing tunics, the cloaks, gauntlets, padded
paunches and all the other things with which they
make tragedy grand are divine; and that is
thoroughly ridiculous. I assure you when Euripides,
following his own devices, says what he thinks without being under any constraint imposed by the requirements of his plays, you will hear him speaking
frankly then :

<cit><quote><l>Dost see on high this boundless sweep of air</l><l>That lappeth earth about in yielding arms ?</l><l>Hold this to be Zeus, and believe it God.</l></quote><bibl>From a lost play. These verses are translated by Cicero (Nat. Deor. ii, 25, 65).</bibl></cit>

And again :
<cit><quote><l>'Twas Zeus, whoever Zeus is, for I know
Him not, except by hearsay.</l></quote><bibl>From the lost Melanippe the Wise. The line was unfavourably received and subseqnently changed (Plut. Mor. 756 c).</bibl></cit>

and so on.


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</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="42"><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Well ‘then, all men and all nations have been mistaken in believing in gods and celebrating festivals ?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Thank you kindly, Timocles, for-reminding me of
what the nations believe... From that you can discern partitularly well that there is nothing in the
theory of gods, for the confusion is great, and some
believe one thing, some another. The Scythians
offer sacrifice to a scimitar, the Thracians to Zamolxis,
a runaway slave who came to them from Samos, the
Phrygians to Men, the Ethiopians to Day, the
Cyllenians to’ Phales, the Assyrians to a dove, the
Persians to fire, and the Egyptians to water. And
while all the Egyptians in common have water for a
god, the people of Memphis have the bull, the people
of Pelusium a wild onion, others an ibis or a crocodile,
others a dog-faced god or a cat or a monkey. Moreover, taking them by villages, some hold the right
shoulder a god and others, who dwell opposite them,
the left; others, half.a skull, and others an earthen
cup or dish. Isn’t that matter for laughter, good
Timocles?
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="43"><p><label>MOMUS</label>
Didn't I tell you, gods, that all this would come
out and be thoroughly looked into ?
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
You did, Momus, and your criticism was just. I
shall try to set it all right if we escape this immediate
danger.
</p><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
But, you god-hater, how about the oracles and pre-

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dictions of coming events? whose work can you call
them except that of the gods and their providence ?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Don’t say a word about the oracles, my worthy
friend, or else I'l ask you which of them you want
to cite. The one that Apollo gave the Lydian, which
was thoroughly double-edged and two-faced, like
some of our Herms, which are double and just alike
on both sides, whichever way you look at them ; for
what was there to show that Croesus by crossing the
Halys would destroy his own kingdom rather than
that of Cyrus? And yet the luckless Sardian had
paid a. good many thousands for that ambidextrous
verse.
</p><p><label>MOMUS</label>
Gods, the man keeps saying the very things that
I most feared. Where is our handsome musician
now? (Zo Arotto) Go down and defend yourself
to him against these charges !
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
You are boring us to extinction, Momus, with yout
untimely eriticism.
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="44"><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Take care what you are doing, Damis, you miscreant! You are all but upsetting the very temples
of the gods with your arguments, and their altars
too.
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Not all the altars, as far as I am concerned,
Timocles ; for what harm do they do if they are full
of incense and sweet savour? But I should be glad
to see the altars of Artemis among the’ Tauvians
turned: completely upside down, those on which the
maiden goddess used to enjoy such horrid feasts.

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<label>ZEUS</label>
Where did he get this insufferable stuff that he is
pouring out on us? He doesn’t spare any of the
gods, but speaks out like a fishwife and

<cit><quote><l>Takes first one, then the other, the guiltless along
with the guilty.</l></quote><bibl>Iliad 15, 137.</bibl></cit>


<label>MOMUS</label>
I tell you, Zeus, you'll find few that are guiltless
among us, and possibly as he continues the man will
soon fasten on a certain person of prominence.

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="45"><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Then can’t you even hear Zeus when he thunders,
Damis, you god-fighter ?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Why shouldn’t I hear thunder, Timocles? But
whether it is Zeus that thunders or not, you no
doubt know best, coming as you do from some place
or other where the gods live! However, the people
who come here from Crete tell us a different tale,
that a grave is pointed out there with a tombstone
standing upon it which proves that Zeus cannot
thunder any more, as he has been dead this long
time.
</p><p><label>MOMUS</label>
I knew far in advance that the fellow would say
that. But why have you become so pale, Zeus, and
why do you tremble till your teeth chatter? You
should be bold and despise such mannikins.
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
What’s that you say, Momus? Despise them?
don’t you see how many are listening, and how they



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have already been persuaded against us and he is
leading them after him tethered by the ears ?
</p><p><label>MOMUS</label>
But whenever you like, Zeus, you can let down a
cord of gold and

<cit><quote><l>Sway them aloft, with the earth and the sea, too,
into the bargain.</l></quote><bibl>Iliad8, 24.</bibl></cit>


</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="46"><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Tell me, you scoundrel, have you ever made a
voyage ?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Yes, often, Timocles.
</p><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Well, you were kept in motion then, were you not,
either by-the wind striking the canvas and filling the
sails, or else by the rowers, but the steering was
done by a single man in ‘command, who kept the
vessel safe ?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Yes, certainly.
</p><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Then do you suppose that while the ship would
not sail if she were not steered, this universe keeps
in motion unsteered and unofficered ?
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
Good! Timocles put that very shrewdly, with a
valid illustration.
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="47"><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Why, Timocles, you superlative admirer of the gods,
in the one case you would have seen the captain
always planning what had better be done and making
ready beforehand and giving orders to the crew, and


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the ship would contain nothing at all that was
profitless and senseless, that was not wholly useful
and necessary to them for their voyage. But in the
other case your captain, the one who, you say, is in
command of this great ship, manages nothing in a
sensible or fitting way, and neither do the members
of his crew; the forestay is carried aft, maybe, and
both the sheets forward, the anchors are sometimes
‘of gold while the figurehead is of lead, and all the
ship’s underbody is painted while her upper works
are unsightly.

</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="48"><p>
Among the sailors themselves you
will see that one who is lazy and lubberly and has
no heart for his work has a warrant or evena
commission, while another who is fearless at diving
and handy in manning the yards and best acquainted
with everything that needs to be done, is set to
pumping ship. So too with the passengers: you'll
see some gallows-bird or other sitting on the quarter
deck beside the captain and receiving attentions, and
another, a profligate, a parricide or a temple-robber,
getting inordinate honour and taking up the whole
deck of the ship, while a lot of good fellows are
crowded into a corner of the hold and trampled on
by men who are really their inferiors. Just think,
for example, what a voyage Socrates and Aristides
and Phocion had, without biscuits enough to eat and
without even room to stretch their legs on the bare
boards alongside the bilgewater, and on the other
hand what favours Callias and Midias and Sardanapalus enjoyed, rolling in luxury and spitting on
those beneath them !
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="49"><p>

That is what goes on in your ship, Timocles, you


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greatest of sages, and that is why the disasters are
countless. But if there were really a captain in
command who saw and directed everything, first of
all he would not have failed to know who were the
good and who were the bad among the men aboard,
and secondly he would have given each man his due
according to his worth, giving to the better men the
better quarters beside him on deck and to the worse
the quarters in the hold; some of them he would
have made his messmates and advisers, and as for
the crew, a zealous man would have been assigned
to command forward or in the waist, or at any rate
somewhere or other over the heads of the rest, while
a timorous, shiftless one would get clouted over the
head half a dozen times a day with the rope’s end.
Consequently, my interesting friend, your comparison
of the ship would seem to have capsized for the want
of a good captain.
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="50"><p><label>MOMUS</label>
Things are going finely for Damis now, and he is
driving under full sail to victory.
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
Your figure is apt, Momus. Yet Timocles can’t
think of anything valid, but launches at him these
commonplace, every-day arguments one after another,
all of them easy to capsize.
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="51"><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Well then, as my comparison of the ship did not
seem to you very valid, attend now to my sheetanchor, as they call it, which you can’t by any possibility cut away.
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
What in the world is he going to say?

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<label>TIMOCLES</label>
See whether I frame this syllogism logically, and
whether you can capsize it in any way. If there are
altars, there are also gods; but there are altars,
ergo there are also gods. What have you to say to
that?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
After I have laughed to my heart’s content I'll
tell you.
</p><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Well, it looks as if you would never stop laughing ;
tell me, though, how you thought what I said was
funny.
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Because you do not see that your anchor is
attached to a slender string—and it’s your sheetanchor at that! Having hitched the existence of
gods to the existence of altars, you think you have
made yourself a safe mooring. So, as you say you
have no better sheet-anchor than this, let's be
going.
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="52"><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
You admit your defeat, then, by going away first ?
</p><p><label>DAMIS</label>
Yes, Timocles, for like men threatened with
violence from some quarter or other, you have taken
refuge at the altars. Therefore I vow by the sheetanchor, I want to make an agreement with you now,
right at the altars, not to dispute any more on this
topic.
</p><p><label>TIMOCLES</label>
Are you mocking me, you ghoul, you miscreant,
you abomination, you gallows-bird, you scum of the
earth? Don’t we know who your father was, and

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how your mother was a courtesan, and that you
strangled your brother and you run after women and
corrupt the young, you height of all that’s lewd and
shameless? Don’t run away! Take a thrashing
from me before you go! Ill brain you right now
with this brickbat, dirty miscreant that you are!
</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg018.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="53"><p><label>ZEUS</label>
One is going away laughing, gods, and the other
is following him up with abuse, because he can’t
stand the mockery of Damis ; it looks as if he would
hithim on the head with the brickbat. But what
ofus? What are we to do now?
</p><p><label>HERMES</label>
It seems to me that the comic poet hit it right
when he said :

<cit><quote><l>No harm’s been done you if you none admit.</l></quote><bibl>Menander, Epitrepontes (179 Kock).</bibl></cit>

What very great harm is it if a few men go away
convinced of all this? The people who think
diferently are in large majority, not only the rank
and file of the Greeks, but the barbarians to a man.
mY
</p><p><label>ZEUS</label>
Yes, Hermes, but what Darius said about Zopyrus
is very much in point too. I myself had rather have
this man Damis alone on my side than possess a
thousand Babylons.<note xml:lang="eng" n="v.2.p.169.n.1">See Herodotus 3, 153 ff.</note>

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