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And with that, being in the act of
drinking, he flung on the pair all that was left in the
cup, and it was about half full! Ion also got the
benefit of his nearness to them, and he quite deserved
it. Well, Hermon, bending forward, began wiping
the wine from his head and calling the guests to
witness what had been done to him. But Cleodemus,
not having a cup, whirled about and spat on Zenothemis; then, taking him by the beard with his left
hand, he was about to hit him in the face, and would



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have’ killed the old man if Aristaenetus had not
stayed his hand, stepped over Zenothemis and lain
down between them, to separate them and make
them keep the peace with him for a dividing-wall.

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While all this was going -on, Philo, various
thoughts were in my mind; for example, the very
obvious one that it is no good knowing the liberal
arts if one doesn’t improve his way of living, too.
At any rate, the men I have mentioned, though
clever in words, were getting laughed at, I saw, for
their deeds. And then I could not help wondering
whether what everyone says might not after all be
true, that education leads men away from right
thinking, since they persist in having no regard for
anything but books and the thoughts in them. At
any rate, though so many philosophers were present,
there really was not a single one to be seen who was
devoid of fault, but some acted disgracefully and
some talked still more disgracefully ;  and I could not
lay what was going on to the wine, considering what
Hetoemocles had written without having had either
food or drink.

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The tables were turned, then, and
the unlettered folk were manifestly dining i in great
decorum, without either getting maudlin or behaving
disreputably ; they simply laughed and passed judgement, perhaps, on the others, whom they used to
admire, thinking them men of importance because of
the garb they wore. The learned men, on the
contrary, were playing the rake and abusing each
other and gorging themselves and bawling and
coming to blows ; and “marvellous” Alcidamas even
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any respect for the women. It seemed to me that,
to use the best possible simile, the events of the
dinner were very like what the poets tell of Discord.
They say, you know, that, not having been asked to
the wedding of Peleus, she threw the apple into the
company, and that from it arose the great war at
Troy.
<note xml:lang="eng" n="1">The golden apple, for the fairest of the goddesses, was
awarded to Aphrodite by Paris, who was paid for his
decision by being given the love of Helen.</note>
Well, to my thinking ‘Hetoemocles by
throwing his. letter into the midst of us like an
Apple of Discord had brought on woes quite as great
as those of the Iliad.

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The friends of Zenothemis and Cleodemus did not
stop quarrelling when Aristaenetus came between
them. “For the present,’ said Cleodemus, “it is
enough if you Stoics are shown up in your ignorance,
but to-morrow I will pay you back as I ought. Tell
me, then, Zenothemis, or you, Diphilus, you pattern
of propriety, why it is that although you say moneygetting is of no import, you aim at nothing in the
world but getting more, and for this reason always
hang about rich people and lend money and extort
high interest and teach for pay; and again, why is
it that although you hate pleasure and inveigh
against the Epicureans, you yourselves do to others
and suffer others to do to you all that is most
shameful for pleasure’s sake; you get angry if a
man does not ask you to dinner, and when you are
actually asked, you not only eat quantities but hand
over quantities to your servants,’—and with that
he tried to pull away the napkin that Zenothemis’
slave was holding. It was full of meats of all kinds,
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on the ground, but the slave clung to it stoutly and
did not let him.

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“Bravo, Cleodemus,” said Hermon;
“let them tell why they inveigh against pleasure
when they themselves want to have more of it than
the rest of mankind.” “No,” said Zenothemis, “but
do you, Cleodemus, say why you hold that wealth is
important.” “No, that is for you to do!” This
went on for a long while, until Ion, bending forward
to make himself more conspicuous, said : “Stop, and
if you wish I will put before you a topic for a
discussion worthy of the present festal day, and you
shall talk and listen without quarrelling, exactly as
in our Plato’s circle, where most of the time was
passed in discussion.” All the guests applauded,
especially Aristaenetus and Eucritus, who hoped at
least to do away with the unpleasantness in that
way. Aristaenetus went back to his own place,
trusting that peace had been made.

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At the same
time we were served with what they call the “Full
Dinner”’—a bird apiece, boar’s flesh and_hare’s,
broiled fish, sesame-cakes and sweetmeats; all of
which you had leave to carry away. They did not
put a separate tray in front of each of us, but
Aristaenetus and Eucritus had theirs together on a
single table, and each was to take what was on his
side. In like manner Zenothemis the Stoic and
Hermon the Epicurean had theirs together, and then
Cleodemus and Ion, who came next, and after them
the bridegroom and myself; Diphilus, however, had
two portions set before him, as Zeno had gone away.
Remember all this, Philo, please, because it is of
importance for my story.
ed


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<label>PHILO</label>
I shall remember, of course.
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Well, Ion said: “Then I will begin first, if you
like”; and after a little pause: “Perhaps with men of
such distinction here we ought to talk of ‘ideas’ and
incorporeal entities and the immortality of the soul ;
but in order that I may not be contradicted by all
those who are not of the same belief in philosophy,
I shall take the topic of marriage and say what is
fitting. It were best not to need marriage, but to
follow Plato and Socrates and be content with friendship: at all events only such as they can attain perfection in virtue. But if we must marry, we should
have our wives in common, as Plato held, so as to be
devoid of envy.”</p></div><div type="textpart" xml:base="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0062.tlg015.perseus-eng2" subtype="section" n="40"><p>
These remarks gave rise to laughter, because
they were made out of season. But Dionysodorus
said : “Stop your outlandish jabbering! Where can
the word envy be found in that sense, and in what
author?”<note xml:lang="eng" n="1">The rhetorician ζῆλος at Ion for using ¢jAos in the sense
of ζηλοτυπία, ‘ jealousy in love.’</note> “What, do you dare open your mouth,
you scum of the earth?” said Ion, and Dionysodorus
began to give him back his abuse in due form.
But the grammarian Histiaeus (simple soul!) said:
“Stop, and I will read you a wedding-song,””</p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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