I fear it may be too rude to tell the truth; for I shrink from saying it on Gorgias’ account, lest he suppose I am making satirical fun of his own profession. Yet indeed I do not know whether this is the rhetoric which Gorgias practices, for from our argument just now we got no very clear view as to how he conceives it; but what I call rhetoric is a part of a certain business which has nothing fine about it.

What is that, Socrates? Tell us, without scruple on my account.

It seems to me then, Gorgias, to be a pursuit that is not a matter of art, but showing a shrewd, gallant spirit which has a natural bent for clever dealing with mankind, and I sum up its substance in the name flattery. This practice, as I view it, has many branches, and one of them is cookery; which appears indeed to be an art but, by my account of it, is not an art but a habitude or knack. I call rhetoric another branch of it, as also personal adornment and sophistry—four branches of it for four kinds of affairs. So if Polus would inquire, let him inquire: he has not yet been informed to what sort of branch of flattery I assign rhetoric; but without noticing that I have not yet answered that, he proceeds to ask whether I do not consider it a fine thing. But I am not going to reply to the question whether I consider rhetoric a fine or a base thing, until I have first answered what it is; for it would not be fair, Polus: but if you want the information, ask me what sort of branch of flattery I assert rhetoric to be.

I ask you then; so answer, what sort of branch it is.

Now, will you understand when I answer? Rhetoric, by my account, is a semblancei.e.an unreal image or counterfeit: Quintilian (ii. 15.25) renders simulacrum. of a branch of politics.

Well then, do you call it a fine or a base thing?

A base one, I call it—for all that is bad I call base—since I am to answer you as though you had already understood my meaning.

Nor do I myself, upon my word, Socrates, grasp your meaning either.

And no wonder, Gorgias, for as yet my statement is not at all clear; but PolusSocrates alludes to the meaning of πῶλος (a colt). here is so young and fresh!

Ah, do not mind him; but tell me what you mean by rhetoric being a semblance of a branch of politics.