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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="435"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="435"/><milestone n="435a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then if you recognize my meaning when I speak, that is an indication given to you by me.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> The indication comes from something which is unlike my meaning when I speak, if in your example <foreign xml:lang="grc">σκληρότης</foreign> the lambda is unlike hardness;  and if this is true, did you not make a convention with yourself, since both like and unlike letters, by the influence of custom and convention, produce indication?  And even if custom is entirely distinct from convention,
<milestone n="435b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>we should henceforth be obliged to say that custom, not likeness, is the principle of indication, since custom, it appears, indicates both by the like and by the unlike.  And since we grant this, Cratylus—for I take it that your silence gives consent—both convention and custom must contribute something towards the indication of our meaning when we speak.  For, my friend, if you will just turn your attention to numbers, where do you think you can possibly get names to apply to each individual number on the principle of likeness,
<milestone n="435c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>unless you allow agreement and convention on your part to control the correctness of names?  I myself prefer the theory that names are, so far as is possible, like the things named;  but really this attractive force of likeness is, as Hermogenes says, a poor thing, and we are compelled to employ in addition this commonplace expedient, convention, to establish the correctness of names.  Probably language would be, within the bounds of possibility, most excellent when all its terms, or as many as possible, were based on likeness, that is to say, were appropriate, and most deficient under opposite conditions.
<milestone n="435d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>But now answer the next question.  What is the function of names, and what good do they accomplish?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I think, Socrates, their function is to instruct, and this is the simple truth, that he who knows the names knows also the things named.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I suppose, Cratylus, you mean that when anyone knows the nature of the name—and its nature is that of the thing—he will know the thing also,
<milestone n="435e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>since it is like the name, and the science of all things which are like each other is one and the same.  It is, I fancy, on this ground that you say whoever knows names will know things also.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> You are perfectly right.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Now let us see what this manner of giving instruction is, to which you refer, and whether there is another method, but inferior to this, or there is no other at all.  What do you think?
</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="436"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="436"/><milestone n="436a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I think there is no other at all;  this is both the best and the only method.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Do you think this is also the method of discovering realities, and that he who has discovered the names has discovered also the things named;  or do you think inquiry and discovery demand another method, and this belongs to instruction?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I most certainly think inquiry and discovery follow this same method and in the same way.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Let us consider the matter, Cratylus.  Do you not see that he who in his inquiry after things follows names
<milestone n="436b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and examines into the meaning of each one runs great risks of being deceived?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> How so?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Clearly he who first gave names, gave such names as agreed with his conception of the nature of things.  That is our view, is it not?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then if his conception was incorrect, and he gave the names according to his conception, what do you suppose will happen to us who follow him?  Can we help being deceived?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> But, Socrates, surely that is not the case.
<milestone n="436c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>He who gave the names must necessarily have known;  otherwise, as I have been saying all along, they would not be names at all.  And there is a decisive proof that the name-giver did not miss the truth, one which you must accept;  for otherwise his names would not be so universally consistent.  Have you not yourself noticed in speaking that all names were formed by the same method and with the same end in view?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> But that, Cratylus, is no counter argument.  For if the giver of names erred in the beginning
<milestone n="436d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and thenceforth forced all other names into agreement with his own initial error, there is nothing strange about that.  It is just so sometimes in geometrical diagrams;  the initial error is small and unnoticed, but all the numerous deductions are wrong, though consistent.  Every one must therefore give great care and great attention to the beginning of any undertaking, to see whether his foundation is right or not.  If that has been considered with proper care, everything else will follow.
<milestone n="436e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>However, I should be surprised if names are really consistent.  Let us review our previous discussion. Names, we said, indicate nature to us, assuming that all things are in motion and flux.  Do you not think they do so?
</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="437"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="437"/><milestone n="437a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes, and they indicate it correctly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Let us first take up again the word <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐπιστήμη</foreign> (knowledge) and see how ambiguous it is, seeming to indicate that it makes our soul stand still (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἵστησιν</foreign>) at things, rather than that it is carried round with them, so it is better to speak the beginning of it as we now do than to insert the epsilon and say <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐπεϊστήμ</foreign>;  we should insert an iota rather than an epsilon.  Then take <foreign xml:lang="grc">βέβαιον</foreign> (firm), which expresses position and rest, not motion.
<milestone n="437b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>And <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἱστορία</foreign> (inquiry) means much the same, that it stops (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἵστησιν</foreign>) the flow.  And <foreign xml:lang="grc">πιστόν</foreign> (faithful) most certainly means that which stops (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἱστόν</foreign>) motion.  Then again, anyone can see that <foreign xml:lang="grc">μνήμη</foreign> (memory) expresses rest (<foreign xml:lang="grc">μονή</foreign>) in the soul, not motion.  On the other hand, <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἁμαρτία</foreign> (error) and <foreign xml:lang="grc">ξυμφορά</foreign> (misfortune), if you consider merely the form of the names, will appear to be the same as <foreign xml:lang="grc">σύνεσις</foreign> (intellect) and <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐπιστήμη</foreign> and all the other names of good significance.  Moreover, <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀμαθία</foreign> (ignorance) and <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀκολασία</foreign> (unrestraint) also appear to be like them;  for the former, <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀμαθία</foreign>,
<milestone n="437c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>seems to be <foreign xml:lang="grc">τοῦ ἅμα θεῷ ἰόντος πορεία</foreign> (the progress of one who goes with God), and <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀκολασία</foreign> seems to be exactly <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀκολουθία τοῖς πράγμασιν</foreign> (movement in company with things).  And so names which we believe have the very worst meanings appear to be very like those which have the best.  And I think we could, if we took pains, find many other words which would lead us to reverse our judgement and believe that the giver of names meant that things were not in progress or in motion, but were at rest.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> But, Socrates, you see that most of the names
<milestone n="437d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>indicate motion.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> What of that, Cratylus?  Are we to count names like votes, and shall correctness rest with the majority?  Are those to be the true names which are found to have that one of the two meanings which is expressed by the greater number?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> That is not reasonable.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="438"><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> No, not in the least, my friend.
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="438"/><milestone n="438a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>Now let us drop this and return to the point at which we digressed.  A little while ago, you may remember, you said he who gave names must have known the things to which he gave them.  Do you still hold that opinion, or not?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I do.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And you say that he who gave the first names also knew the things which he named?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes, he knew them.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> But from what names had he learned or discovered the things,
<milestone n="438b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>if the first names had not yet been given, and if we declare that it is impossible to learn or discover things except by learning or ourselves discovering the names?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I think there is something in what you say, Socrates.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> How can we assert that they gave names or were lawgivers with knowledge, before any name whatsoever had been given, and before they knew any names, if things cannot be learned except through their names?
<milestone n="438c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I think the truest theory of the matter, Socrates, is that the power which gave the first names to things is more than human, and therefore the names must necessarily be correct.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then, in your opinion, he who gave the names, though he was a spirit or a god, would have given names which made him contradict himself? Or do you think there is no sense in what we were saying just now?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> But, Socrates, those that make up one of the two classes are not really names.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Which of the two, my excellent friend;  the class of those which point towards rest or of those that point towards motion?  We agreed just now that the matter is not to be determined by mere numbers.
<milestone n="438d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> No;  that would not be right, Socrates.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then since the names are in conflict, and some of them claim that they are like the truth, and others that they are, how can we decide, and upon what shall we base our decision?  Certainly not upon other names differing from these, for there are none.  No, it is plain that we must look for something else, not names, which shall show us which of these two kinds are the true names, which of them, that is to say,
<milestone n="438e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>show the truth of things.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> That is my opinion.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then if that is true, Cratylus, it seems that things may be learned without names.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> So it appears.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> What other way is left by which you could expect to know them?  What other than the natural and the straightest way, through each other, if they are akin, and through themselves?  For that which is other and different from them would signify not them, but something other and different.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I think that is true.
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