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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="431"><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Well, then, can I not step up to the same man again and say, <q>This is your name</q>?  A name is an imitation, just as a picture is.
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="431"/><milestone n="431a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>Very well;  can I not say to him, <q type="spoken">This is your name,</q> and then bring before his sense of hearing perhaps the imitation of himself, saying that it is a man, or perhaps the imitation of the female of the human species, saying that it is a woman?  Do you not believe that this is possible and sometimes happens?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I am willing to concede it, Socrates, and grant that you are right.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> That is a good thing for you to do, my friend, if I am right;  for now we need no longer argue about the matter.
<milestone n="431b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>If, then, some such assignment of names takes place, we will call one kind speaking truth, and the other speaking falsehood.  But if this is accepted, and if it is possible to assign names incorrectly and to give to objects not the names that befit them, but sometimes those that are unfitting, it would be possible to treat verbs in the same way.  And if verbs and nouns can be assigned in this way, the same must be true of sentences;  for sentences are, I conceive, a combination of verbs and nouns.
<milestone n="431c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>What do you say to that, Cratylus?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I agree; I think you are right.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> If, then, we compare the earliest words to sketches, it is possible in them, as in pictures, to reproduce all the colors and shapes, or not all; some may be wanting, and some may be added, and they may be too many or too large.  Is not that true?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes, it is.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then he who reproduces all, produces good sketches and pictures, and he who adds or takes away produces also sketches and pictures, but bad ones?
<milestone n="431d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And how about him who imitates the nature of things by means of letters and syllables?  By the same principle, if he gives all that is appropriate, the image—that is to say, the name—will be good, and if he sometimes omits a little, it will be an image, but not a good one;  and therefore some names are well and others badly made.  Is that not true?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Perhaps.
<milestone n="431e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Perhaps, then, one artisan of names will be good, and another bad?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> The name of such an artisan was lawgiver?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Perhaps, then, by Zeus, as is the case in the other arts, one lawgiver may be good and another bad, if we accept our previous conclusions.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="432"><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> That is true.  But you see, Socrates, when by the science of grammar we assign these letters—alpha, beta, and the rest—to names,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="432"/><milestone n="432a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>if we take away or add or transpose any letter, it is not true that the name is written, but written incorrectly;  it is not written at all, but immediately becomes a different word, if any such thing happens to it.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Perhaps we are not considering the matter in the right way.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Why not?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> It may be that what you say would be true of those things which must necessarily consist of a certain number or cease to exist at all, as ten, for instance, or any number you like,
<milestone n="432b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>if you add or subtract anything is immediately another number;  but this is not the kind of correctness which applies to quality or to images in general;  on the contrary, the image must not by any means reproduce all the qualities of that which it imitates, if it is to be an image.  See if I am not right.  Would there be two things, Cratylus and the image of Cratylus, if some god should not merely imitate your color and form, as painters do, but should also make all the inner parts like yours, should reproduce
<milestone n="432c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>the same flexibility and warmth, should put into them motion, life, and intellect, such as exist in you, and in short, should place beside you a duplicate of all your qualities?  Would there be in such an event Cratylus and an image of Cratylus, or two Cratyluses?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> I should say, Socrates, two Cratyluses.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then don’t you see, my friend, that we must look for some other principle of correctness in images and in names, of which we were speaking, and must not insist that they are no longer images
<milestone n="432d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>if anything be wanting or be added?  Do you not perceive how far images are from possessing the same qualities as the originals which they imitate?</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Yes, I do.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Surely, Cratylus, the effect produced by the names upon the things of which they are the names would be ridiculous, if they were to be entirely like them in every respect.  For everything would be duplicated, and no one could tell in any case which was the real thing and which the name.</said></p><p><said who="#Cratylus"><label>Cratylus.</label> Quite true.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then do not be faint-hearted, but have the courage to admit that one name may be correctly and another incorrectly given;
<milestone n="432e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>do not insist that it must have all the letters and be exactly the same as the thing named, but grant that an inappropriate letter may be employed.  But if a letter, then grant that also a noun in a clause, and if a noun, then also a clause in a sentence may be employed which is not appropriate to the things in question, and the thing may none the less be named and described, so long as the intrinsic quality of the thing named is retained,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="433"/><milestone n="433a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>as is the case in the names of the letters of the alphabet, if you remember what Hermogenes and I were saying a while ago.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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