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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="421"><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I ask, then, about the greatest and noblest words,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="421"/><milestone n="421a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>truth (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀλήθεια</foreign>), falsehood (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ψεῦδος</foreign>), being (<foreign xml:lang="grc">τὸ ὄν</foreign>), and why name, the subject of our whole discourse, has the name <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὄνομα</foreign>.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Does the word <foreign xml:lang="grc">μαίσθαι</foreign> (search) mean anything to you?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, it means <gloss>seek.</gloss></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> The word <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὄνομα</foreign> seems to be a word composed from a sentence signifying <q type="emph">this is a being about which our search is.</q> You can recognize that more readily in the adjective <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὀνομαστόν</foreign>, for that says clearly that this is
<milestone n="421b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><foreign xml:lang="grc">ὄν οὗ μάσμα ἐστίν</foreign> (being of which the search is).  And <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀλήθεια</foreign> (truth) is like the others;  for the divine motion of the universe is, I think, called by this name, <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀλήθεια</foreign>, because it is a divine wandering <foreign xml:lang="grc">θεία ἄλη</foreign>.  But <foreign xml:lang="grc">ψεῦδος</foreign> (falsehood) is the opposite of motion;  for once more that which is held back and forced to be quiet is found fault with, and it is compared to slumberers (<foreign xml:lang="grc">εὕουσι</foreign>);  but the addition of the psi conceals the meaning of the word.  The words <foreign xml:lang="grc">τὸ ὄν</foreign> (being) and <foreign xml:lang="grc">οὐσία</foreign> (existence) agree with <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀληθής</foreign> with the loss of iota, for they mean <gloss>going</gloss> (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἰόν</foreign>).  And <foreign xml:lang="grc">οὐκ ὄν</foreign> (not being) means <foreign xml:lang="grc">οὐκ ἰόν</foreign> (not going),
<milestone n="421c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and indeed some people pronounce it so.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think you have knocked these words to pieces manfully, Socrates;  but if anyone should ask you what propriety or correctness there was in these words that you have employed—<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἰόν</foreign> and <foreign xml:lang="grc">ρἕον</foreign> and <foreign xml:lang="grc">δοῦν</foreign>—</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> What answer should I make?  Is that your meaning?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, exactly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> We acquired just now one way of making an answer with a semblance of sense in it.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What way was that?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Saying, if there is a word we do not know about, that it is of foreign origin.
<milestone n="421d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>Now this may be true of some of them, and also on account of the lapse of time it may be impossible to find out about the earliest words;  for since words get twisted in all sorts of ways, it would not be in the least wonderful if the ancient Greek word should be identical with the modern foreign one.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> That is not unlikely.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> It is indeed quite probable.  However, we must play the game<note anchored="true" resp="Loeb">A proverbial expression.</note> and investigate these questions vigorously.  But let us bear in mind that if a person asks
<milestone n="421e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>about the words by means of which names are formed, and again about those by means of which those words were formed, and keeps on doing this indefinitely, he who answers his questions will at last give up;  will he not?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, I think so.
</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="422"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="422"/><milestone n="422a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Now at what point will he be right in giving up and stopping?  Will it not be when he reaches the names which are the elements of the other names and words?  For these, if they are the elements, can no longer rightly appear to be composed of other names.  For instance, we said just now that <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀγαθόν</foreign> was composed of <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἀγαστόν</foreign> and <foreign xml:lang="grc">θοόν</foreign>;  and perhaps we might say that <foreign xml:lang="grc">θοόν</foreign> was composed of other words, and those of still others;
<milestone n="422b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>but if we ever get hold of a word which is no longer composed of other words, we should be right ill saying that we had at last reached an element, and that we must no longer refer to other words for its derivation.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think you are right.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Are, then, these words about which you are now asking elements, and must we henceforth investigate their correctness by some other method?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Probably.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Yes, probably, Hermogenes;  at any rate, all the previous words were traced back to these.
<milestone n="422c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>But if this be true, as I think it is, come to my aid again and help me in the investigation, that I may not say anything foolish in declaring what principle must underlie the correctness of the earliest names.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Go on, and I will help you to the best of my ability.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I think you agree with me that there is but one principle of correctness in all names, the earliest as well as the latest, and that none of them is any more a name than the rest.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.
<milestone n="422d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Now the correctness of all the names we have discussed was based upon the intention of showing the nature of the things named.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes, of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And this principle of correctness must be present in all names, the earliest as well as the later ones, if they are really to be names.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> But the later ones, apparently, were able to accomplish this by means of the earlier ones.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Evidently.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Well, then, how can the earliest names, which are not as yet based upon any others, make clear to us the nature of things, so far as that is possible,
<milestone n="422e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>which they must do if they are to be names at all?  Answer me this question:  If we had no voice or tongue, and wished to make things clear to one another, should we not try, as dumb people actually do, to make signs with our hands and head and person generally?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.  What other method is there, Socrates?
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