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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="401"><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> So, if you like, let us first make a kind of announcement to the gods, saying that we are not going to investigate about them—for we do not claim to be able to do that—but about men, and let us inquire what thought men had in giving them their names;  for in that there is no impiety.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think, Socrates, you are right;  let us do as you say.
<milestone n="401b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Shall we, then, begin with Hestia, according to custom?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> That is the proper thing.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then what would you say the man had in mind who gave Hestia her name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> By Zeus, I think that is no more easy question than the other.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> At any rate, my dear Hermogenes, the first men who gave names were no ordinary persons, but high thinkers and great talkers.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What then?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I am sure the names were given by men of that kind;  and if foreign names are examined,
<milestone n="401c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>the meaning of each of them is equally evident.  Take, for instance, that which we call <foreign xml:lang="grc">οὐσία</foreign> (reality, essence);  some people call it <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐσσία</foreign>, and still others <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὠσία</foreign>.  First, then, in connection with the second of these forms, it is reasonable that the essence of things be called Hestia;  and moreover, because we ourselves say of that which partakes of reality <q type="emph">it is,</q> (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἔστιν</foreign>), the name Hestia would be correct in this connection also;  for apparently we also called <foreign xml:lang="grc">οὐσία</foreign> (reality) <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐσσία</foreign> in ancient times.  And besides, if you consider it in connection with sacrifices,
<milestone n="401d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>you would come to the conclusion that those who established them understood the name in that way;  for those who called the essence of things <foreign xml:lang="grc">ἐσσία</foreign> would naturally sacrifice to Hestia first of all the gods.  Those on the other hand, who say <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὠσία</foreign> would agree, well enough with Heracleitus that all things move and nothing remains still.  So they would say the cause and ruler of things was the pushing power (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ὠθοῦν</foreign>), wherefore it had been rightly named <foreign xml:lang="grc">ὠσία</foreign>.  But enough of this, considering that we know nothing.
<milestone n="401e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>After Hestia it is right to consider Rhea and Cronus.  The name of Cronus, however, has already been discussed.  But perhaps I am talking nonsense.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Why, Socrates?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> My friend, I have thought of a swarm of wisdom.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What is it?
</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="402"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="402"/><milestone n="402a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> It sounds absurd, but I think there is some probability in it.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What is this probability?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I seem to have a vision of Heracleitus saying some ancient words of wisdom as old as the reign of Cronus and Rhea, which Homer said too.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> What do you mean by that?</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Heracleitus says, you know, that all things move and nothing remains still, and he likens the universe to the current of a river, saying that you cannot step twice into the same stream.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> True.
    <milestone n="402b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Well, don’t you think he who gave to the ancestors of the other gods the names <q type="emph">Rhea</q> and <q type="emph">Cronus</q> had the same thought as Heracleitus?  Do you think he gave both of them the names of streams merely by chance?  Just so Homer, too, says—<quote type="verse"><l met="dactylic">Ocean the origin of the gods, and their mother Tethys;</l></quote><bibl n="Hom. Il. 14.201">Hom.  Il. 14.201, 302</bibl> and I believe Hesiod says that also.  Orpheus, too, says—<quote type="verse"><l met="dactylic">Fair-flowing Ocean was the first to marry,</l></quote>
<milestone n="402c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><cit><quote type="verse"><l met="c">and he wedded his sister Tethys, daughter of his mother.</l></quote><bibl>Orpheus Fr</bibl></cit>See how they agree with each other and all tend towards the doctrine of Heracleitus.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think there is something in what you say, Socrates;  but I do not know what the name of Tethys means.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Why, the name itself almost tells that it is the name of a spring somewhat disguised;  for that which is strained (<foreign xml:lang="grc">διαττώμενον</foreign>)
<milestone n="402d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>and filtered (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ἠθούμενον</foreign>) represents a spring, and the name Tethys is compounded of those two words.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> That is very neat, Socrates.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Of course it is.  But what comes next?  Zeus we discussed before.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Let us, then, speak of his brothers, Poseidon and <placeName key="tgn,2057261">Pluto</placeName>, including also the other name of the latter.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> By all means.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> I think Poseidon’s name was given by him who first applied it,
<milestone n="402e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>because the power the sea restrained him as he was walking and hindered his advance;  it acted as a bond (<foreign xml:lang="grc">δεσμός</foreign>) of his feet (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ποδῶν</foreign>).  So he called the lord of this power Poseidon, regarding him as a foot-bond (<foreign xml:lang="grc">ποσί-δεσμον</foreign>). The e is inserted perhaps for euphony.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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