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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg005.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="387"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="387"/><milestone n="387a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then actions also are performed according to their own nature, not according to our opinion.  For instance, if we undertake to cut anything, ought we to cut it as we wish, and with whatever instrument we wish, or shall we, if we are willing to cut each thing in accordance with the nature of cutting and being cut, and with the natural instrument, succeed in cutting it, and do it rightly, whereas if we try to do it contrary to nature we shall fail and accomplish nothing?
<milestone n="387b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think the way is as you suggest.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then, too, if we undertake to burn anything, we must burn not according to every opinion, but according to the right one?  And that is as each thing naturally burns or is burned and with the natural instrument?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And all other actions are to be performed In like manner?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And speaking is an action, is it not?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then if a man speaks as he fancies he ought to speak,
<milestone n="387c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>will he speak rightly, or will he succeed in speaking if he speaks in the way and with the instrument in which and with which it is natural for us to speak and for things to be spoken, whereas otherwise he will fail and accomplish nothing?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think the way you suggest is the right one.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Now naming is a part of speaking, for in naming I suppose people utter speech.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then is not naming also a kind of action, if speaking is a kind of action concerned with things?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.
<milestone n="387d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> But we saw that actions are not merely relative to us, but possess a separate nature of their own?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then in naming also, if we are to be consistent with our previous conclusions, we cannot follow our own will, but the way and the instrument which the nature of things prescribes must be employed, must they not?  And if we pursue this course we shall be successful in our naming, but otherwise we shall fail.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think you are right.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And again, what has to be cut, we said, has to be cut with something.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.
<milestone n="387e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And what has to be woven, has to be woven with something, and what has to be bored, has to be bored with something?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And then what has to be named, has to be named with something?
</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="388"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="388"/><milestone n="388a" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> True.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And what is that with which we have to bore?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> A borer.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And that with which we weave?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> A shuttle.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And that with which we must name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> A name.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Right.  A name also, then, is a kind of instrument.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then if I were to ask <q type="spoken">What instrument is the shuttle?</q>  Is it not that with which we weave?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.
<milestone n="388b" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And what do we do when we weave?  Do we not separate the mingled threads of warp and woof?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And you could give a similar answer about the borer and the rest, could you not?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And can you say something of the same kind about a name?  The name being an instrument, what do we do with it when we name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I cannot tell.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Do we not teach one another something, and separate things according to their natures?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Certainly.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> A name is, then, an instrument of teaching and of separating reality,
<milestone n="388c" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/>as a shuttle is an instrument of separating the web?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> But the shuttle is an instrument of weaving?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Of course.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> The weaver, then, will use the shuttle well, and well means like a weaver;  and a teacher will use a name well, and well means like a teacher.</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Yes.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Whose work will the weaver use well when he uses the shuttle?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> The carpenter’s.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Is every one a carpenter, or he who has the skill?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> He who has the skill.
<milestone n="388d" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And whose work will the hole-maker use when he uses the borer?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> The smith’s.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And is every one a smith, or he who has the skill?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> He who has the skill.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And whose work will the teacher use when he uses the name?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I cannot tell that, either.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> And can you not tell this, either, who gives us the names we use?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> No.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Do you not think it is the law that gives them to us?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> Very likely.
<milestone n="388e" unit="section" resp="Stephanus"/></said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Then the teacher, when he uses a name, will be using the work of a lawgiver?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> I think so.</said></p><p><said who="#Socrates"><label>Socrates.</label> Do you think every man is a lawgiver, or only he who has the skill?</said></p><p><said who="#Hermogenes"><label>Hermogenes.</label> He who has the skill.</said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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