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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg004.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="89"><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> Echecrates, I have often wondered at Socrates, but never did I admire him more
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        than then. That he had an answer ready was perhaps to be expected; but what astonished me
                    more about him was, first, the pleasant, gentle, and respectful manner in which
                    he listened to the young men’s criticisms, secondly, his quick sense of the
                    effect their words had upon us, and lastly, the skill with which he cured us
                    and, as it were, recalled us from our flight and defeat and made us face about
                    and follow him and join in his examination of the argument.</said></p><p><said who="#Echecrates"><label>Echecrates.</label> How did he do it?</said></p><p><said who="#Phaedo"><label>Phaedo.</label> I will tell you. I was sitting at his right hand on a low stool 
         
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            beside his couch, and his seat was a good deal
                    higher than mine. He stroked my head and gathered the hair on the back of my
                    neck into his hand—he had a habit of playing with my hair on
                    occasion—and said, <q type="spoken">Tomorrow, perhaps, Phaedo, you will cut off this
                    beautiful hair.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I suppose so,
                    Socrates,</q> said I.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Not if you take my
                        advice.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">What shall I do
                    then?</q> I asked.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">You will cut it off
                    today, and I will cut mine, if our argument dies and we cannot bring it to life
                    again. 
         
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            If I were you and the argument escaped
                    me, I would take an oath, like the Argives, not to let my hair grow until I had
                    renewed the fight and won a victory over the argument of Simmias and
                        Cebes.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">But,</q> I replied,
                    <q type="spoken">they say that even Heracles is not a match for two.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">call me to help you,
                    as your Iolaus, while there is still light.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I call you to help, then,</q> said I, <q type="spoken">not as Heracles calling
                    Iolaus, but as Iolaus calling Heracles.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">That is all one,</q> said he. <q type="spoken">But first let us guard against
                    a danger.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Of what sort?</q> I
                    asked. 
         
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            <q type="spoken">The danger of becoming
                    misologists or haters of argument,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">as people become
                    misanthropists or haters of man; for no worse evil can happen to a man than to
                    hate argument. Misology and misanthropy arise from similar causes. For
                    misanthropy arises from trusting someone implicitly without sufficient
                    knowledge. You think the man is perfectly true and sound and trustworthy, and
                    afterwards you find him base and false. Then you have the same experience with
                    another person. By the time this has happened to a man a good many times,
                    especially if it happens among those whom he might regard as his nearest
                        
         
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            and dearest friends, he ends by being in
                    continual quarrels and by hating everybody and thinking there is nothing sound
                    in anyone at all. Have you not noticed this?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said I.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well,</q> he went on, <q type="spoken">is it not disgraceful, and is it not
                    plain that such a man undertakes to consort with men when he has no knowledge of
                    human nature?</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="90"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge">For if he had knowledge when he dealt with them, he would think
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            and the bad are both very few and those between the two are very many, for
                    that is the case.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">What do you
                        mean?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I mean just what I might
                    say about the large and small. Do you think there is anything more unusual than
                    to find a very large or a very small man, or dog, or other creature, or again,
                    one that is very quick or slow, very ugly or beautiful, very black or white?
                    Have you not noticed that the extremes in all these instances are rare and few,
                    and the examples between the extremes are very many?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">To be sure,</q> said I.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And don’t you think,</q> 
         
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            said he,
                    <q type="spoken">that if there were to be a competition in rascality, those who excelled
                    would be very few in that also?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Very
                    likely,</q> I replied.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes, very
                    likely,</q> he said, <q type="spoken">But it is not in that respect that arguments are
                    like men; I was merely following your lead in discussing that. The similarity
                    lies in this: when a man without proper knowledge concerning arguments has
                    confidence in the truth of an argument and afterwards thinks that it is false,
                    whether it really is so or not, and this happens again and again; then you know,
                    those men especially who 
         
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            have spent their
                    time in disputation come to believe that they are the wisest of men and that
                    they alone have discovered that there is nothing sound or sure in anything,
                    whether argument or anything else, but all things go up and down, like the tide
                    in the Euripus, and nothing is stable for any length of time.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> I said, <q type="spoken">that is very
                        true.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then, Phaedo,</q> he
                    said, <q type="spoken">if there is any system of argument which is true and sure and can
                    be learned, it would be a sad thing if a man, 
         
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            because he has met with some of those arguments which seem to be sometimes
                    true and sometimes false, should then not blame himself or his own lack of
                    skill, but should end, in his vexation, by throwing the blame gladly upon the
                    arguments and should hate and revile them all the rest of his life, and be
                    deprived of the truth and knowledge of reality.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes, by Zeus,</q> I said, <q type="spoken">it would be
                        sad.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">First, then,</q> said
                    he, <q type="spoken">let us be on our guard against this, 
         
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            and let us not admit into our souls the notion that there is
            no soundness in arguments at all. Let us far rather assume that we ourselves are
                    not yet in sound condition and that we must strive manfully and eagerly to
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            and I because of my
                    impending death; for I fear that I am not just now in a philosophical frame of
                    mind as regards this particular question, but am contentious, like quite
                    uncultured persons. </q></said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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