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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg004.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="67"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge"><q type="spoken" rend="merge">For,
                    if pure knowledge is impossible while the body is with us, one of two thing must
                    follow, either it cannot be acquired at all or only when we are dead; for then
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            will
                    be by itself apart from the body, but not before. And while we live, we shall, I
                    think, be nearest to knowledge when we avoid, so far as possible, intercourse
                    and communion with the body, except what is absolutely necessary, and are not
                    filled with its nature, but keep ourselves pure from it until God himself sets
                    us free. And in this way, freeing ourselves from the foolishness of the body and
                    being pure, we shall, I think, be with the pure and shall know of ourselves all
                    that is pure,— 
         
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            and that is, perhaps,
                    the truth. For it cannot be that the impure attain the pure.</q> Such words as
                    these, I think, Simmias, all who are rightly lovers of knowledge must say to
                    each other and such must be their thoughts. Do you not agree?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Most assuredly, Socrates.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then,</q> said Socrates, <q type="spoken">if this is true, my
                    friend, I have great hopes that when I reach the place to which I am going, I
                    shall there, if anywhere, attain fully to that which has been my chief object in
                    my past life, so that the journey which is now 
         
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            imposed upon me is begun with good hope; and the like hope exists for every
                    man who thinks that his mind has been purified and made ready.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said Simmias.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And does not the purification consist in this which has
                    been mentioned long ago in our discourse, in separating, so far as possible, the
                    soul from the body and teaching the soul the habit of collecting and bringing
                    itself together from all parts of the body, and living, so far as it can, both
                    now 
         
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            and hereafter, alone by itself, freed
                    from the body as from fetters?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well,
                    then, this is what we call death, is it not, a release and separation from the
                        body?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Exactly so,</q> said
                        he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">But, as we hold, the true
                    philosophers and they alone are always most eager to release the soul, and just
                    this—the release and separation of the soul from the body—is their
                    study, is it not?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Obviously.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then, as I
                    said in the beginning, it would be absurd if a man who had been all his life
                    fitting himself to live as nearly 
         
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            in a state
                    of death as he could, should then be disturbed when death came to him. Would it
                    not be absurd?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Of
                        course.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">In fact, then,
                    Simmias,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">the true philosophers practice dying, and death
                    is less terrible to them than to any other men. Consider it in this way.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="68"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge">They
        are in every way hostile to the body and they desire to have the soul apart by
        itself alone. Would it not be very foolish if they should be frightened and
                    troubled when this very thing happens, and if they should not be glad to go to
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            what they longed for all through
                    life—and they longed for wisdom—and of escaping from the
                    companionship of that which they hated? When human loves or wives or sons have
                    died, many men have willingly gone to the other world led by the hope of seeing
                    there those whom they longed for, and of being with them; and shall he who is
                    really in love with wisdom and has a firm belief that he can find it nowhere
                    else 
         
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            than in the other world grieve when he
                    dies and not be glad to go there? We cannot think that, my friend, if he is
                    really a philosopher; for he will confidently believe that he will find pure
                    wisdom nowhere else than in the other world. And if this is so, would it not be
                    very foolish for such a man to fear death?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Very foolish, certainly,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then is it not,</q> said Socrates, <q type="spoken">a sufficient indication,
                    when you see a man troubled because he is going to die, that he was not a lover
                    of wisdom but a lover of the body? 
         
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            And this
                    same man is also a lover of money and of honor, one or both.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">it is as you
                        say.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then, Simmias,</q> he
                    continued, <q type="spoken">is not that which is called courage especially characteristic
                    of philosophers?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">By all
                    means,</q> said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And
                    self-restraint—that which is commonly called self-restraint, which
                    consists in not being excited by the passions and in being superior to them and
                    acting in a seemly way—is not that characteristic of those alone who
                    despise the body 
         
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            and pass their lives in
                        philosophy?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Necessarily,</q>
                    said he.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">For,</q> said Socrates,
                    <q type="spoken">if you care to consider the courage and the self-restraint of other men,
                    you will see that they are absurd.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">How so, Socrates?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">You know,
                    do you not, that all other men count death among the great
                        evils?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">They certainly
                        do.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And do not brave men face
                    death—when they do face it—through fear of greater
                        evils?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">That is
                        true.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then all except
                    philosophers are brave through fear. And yet it is absurd to be brave through
                    fear and cowardice.</q> 
         
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            <q type="spoken">Very
                        true.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">And how about those of
                    seemly conduct? Is their case not the same? They are self-restrained because of
                    a kind of self-indulgence. We say, to be sure, that this is impossible,
                    nevertheless their foolish self-restraint amounts to little more than this; for
                    they fear that they may be deprived of certain pleasures which they desire, and
                    so they refrain from some because they are under the sway of others.</q></said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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