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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg004.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="61"><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><q type="spoken" rend="merge">And I formerly thought it was
                    urging and encouraging me <milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="61"/>
         
         
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          to do what I was doing already and that just as people
                    encourage runners by cheering, so the dream was encouraging me to do what I was
                    doing, that is, to make music, because philosophy was the greatest kind of music
                    and I was working at that. But now, after the trial and while the festival of
                    the god delayed my execution, I thought, in case the repeated dream really meant
                    to tell me to make this which is ordinarily called music, I ought to do so and
                    not to disobey. For I thought it was safer not to go hence 
         
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        before making sure that I had done what I ought, by obeying
                    the dream and composing verses. So first I composed a hymn to the god whose
                    festival it was; and after the god, considering that a poet, if he is really to
                    be a poet, must compose myths and not speeches, since I was not a maker of
                    myths, I took the myths of Aesop, which I had at hand and knew, and turned into
                    verse the first I came upon. So tell Evenus that, Cebes, and bid him farewell,
                    and tell him, if he is wise, to come after me as quickly as he can. 
         
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           I, it seems, am going today; for that is the order
                    of the Athenians.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And Simmias said,
                    <q type="spoken">What a message that is, Socrates, for Evenus! I have met him often, and
                    from what I have seen of him, I should say that he will not take your advice in
                    the least if he can help it.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Why
                    so?</q> said he. <q type="spoken">Is not Evenus a philosopher?</q>
        <milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I think so,</q> said Simmias.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then Evenus will take my advice, and so will every man
                    who has any worthy interest in philosophy. Perhaps, however, he will not take
                    his own life, for they say that is not permitted.</q> 
         
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         And as he spoke he put his feet down on the ground and
                    remained sitting in this way through the rest of the conversation.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Then Cebes asked him: <q type="spoken">What do you mean by this,
                    Socrates, that it is not permitted to take one’s life, but that the philosopher
                    would desire to follow after the dying?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">How is this, Cebes? Have you and Simmias, who are pupils of Philolaus,
                    not heard about such things?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Nothing
                    definite, Socrates.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">I myself speak
                    of them only from hearsay; but I have no objection to telling what I have heard.
                    And indeed it is perhaps especially fitting, 
         
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         as I am going to the other world, to tell stories about the life there and
                    consider what we think about it; for what else could one do in the time between
                    now and sunset?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Why in the world do
                    they say that it is not permitted to kill oneself, Socrates?
                    I heard Philolaus,
                    when he was living in our city, say the same thing you just said, and I have
                    heard it from others, too, that one must not do this; but I never heard anyone
                    say anything definite about it.</q></said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="62"><milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="62"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="62a"/><p><said who="#Phaedo" rend="merge"><label>Phaedo.</label><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">You must have
                    courage,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">and perhaps you might hear something. But
                    perhaps it will seem strange to you that this alone of all laws is without
                    exception, and it never happens to mankind, as in other matters, that only at
                    some times and for some persons it is better to die than to live; and it will
                    perhaps seem strange to you that these human beings for whom it is better to die
                    cannot without impiety do good to themselves, but must wait for some other
                        benefactor.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And Cebes, smiling gently,
			     said, <q type="spoken">God knows it does,</q><note resp="perseus">Edited for clarity.</note> speaking in his own dialect.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">It would seem unreasonable, if put in this
                    way,</q> said Socrates,
         
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           <q type="spoken">but perhaps
                    there is some reason in it. Now the doctrine that is taught in secret about this
                    matter, that we men are in a kind of prison and must not set ourselves free or
                    run away, seems to me to be weighty and not easy to understand. But this at
                    least, Cebes, I do believe is sound, that the gods are our guardians and that we
                    men are one of the chattels of the gods. Do you not believe
                        this?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Yes,</q> said Cebes,
                       
         
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          <q type="spoken">I do.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Well then,</q> said he, <q type="spoken">if one of your
                    chattels should kill itself when you had not indicated that you wished it to
                    die, would you be angry with it and punish it if you could?</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> he replied.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">Then perhaps from this point of view it is not
                    unreasonable to say that a man must not kill himself until god sends some
                    necessity upon him, such as has now come upon me.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/><q type="spoken">That,</q> said Cebes, <q type="spoken">seems sensible. But what
                    you said just now, Socrates, that philosophers ought to be ready and willing to
                    die, that seems 
         
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         strange if we were right just
                    now in saying that god is our guardian and we are his possessions. For it is not
                    reasonable that the wisest men should not be troubled when they leave that
                    service in which the gods, who are the best overseers in the world, are watching
                    over them. A wise man certainly does not think that when he is free he can take
                    better care of himself than they do. A foolish man might perhaps think so, that
                    he ought to run away from his master, 
         
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          and he
                    would not consider that he must not run away from a good master, but ought to
                    stay with him as long as possible; and so he might thoughtlessly run away; but a
                    man of sense would wish to be always with one who is better than himself. And
                    yet, Socrates, if we look at it in this way, the contrary of what we just said
                    seems natural; for the wise ought to be troubled at dying and the foolish to
                        rejoice.</q></said></p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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