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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" xml:lang="eng" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0032.tlg002.perseus-eng2" subtype="translation"><div type="textpart" subtype="book" n="2"><div type="textpart" subtype="chapter" n="6"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="1"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/>In the following conversation I
                                thought he gave instruction for testing the qualities that make a
                                man’s friendship worth winning.<milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Tell me, Critobulus,</said> he said, <said direct="true">if we wanted a good friend, how should we start on
                                    the quest? Should we seek first for one who is no slave to
                                    eating and drinking, lust, sleep, idleness? For the thrall of
                                    these masters cannot do his duty by himself or his
                                    friend.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">No, of course not.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Then you think we should avoid one
                                    who is subject to them?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">I do, certainly.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="2"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Now what about
                                    the spendthrift who is never satisfied, who is always appealing
                                    to his neighbours for help, if he receives something, makes no
                                    return, if he receives nothing, resents it? Don’t you think he
                                    too is a troublesome friend?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Certainly.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Then we must avoid him
                                    too?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">We must indeed.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="3"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Again, what about
                                    the skilful man of business who is eager to make money, and
                                    consequently drives a hard bargain, who likes to receive but is
                                    disinclined to repay?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">So far as I see, he is even worse than the
                                    last.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="4"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">And what of the
                                    man who is such a keen man of business that he has no leisure
                                    for anything but the selfish pursuit of gain?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">We must avoid him too, I
                                    think. There is no profit in knowing him.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">And what of the
                                    quarrelsome person who is willing to provide his friends with
                                    plenty of enemies?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">We must shun him too, of course.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Suppose that a man is
                                    free from all these faults, but stoops to receive kindness with
                                    no thought of returning it?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">There is no profit in him either. But what
                                    are the qualities for which we shall try to win a man’s
                                    friendship,
                                    <persName><surname>Socrates</surname></persName>?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">The opposite of these, I
                                    suppose.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="5"><p><said direct="true" rend="merge">We shall look for one who controls his
                                    indulgence in the pleasures of the body, who is truly
                                        hospitable<note resp="Loeb" anchored="true">Or <foreign xml:lang="grc">εὔνους</foreign>, <q type="emph">loyal,</q> or <foreign xml:lang="grc">εὔορκος</foreign>, <q type="emph">scrupulous,</q>
                                        <q type="emph">a man of his word.</q></note> and fair in
                                    his dealings and eager to do as much for his benefactors as he
                                    receives from them, so that he is worth knowing.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="6"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Then how can we
                                    test these qualities,
                                        <persName><surname>Socrates</surname></persName>, before
                                    intimacy begins?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">What test do we apply to a sculptor? We don’t
                                    judge by what he says, but we look at his statues, and if we see
                                    that the works he has already produced are beautiful, we feel
                                    confident that his future works will be as good.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="7"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">You mean that
                                    anyone whose good works wrought upon his old friends are
                                    manifest will clearly prove a benefactor to new friends
                                    also?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Yes; for when I find that an owner of horses has been in the
                                    habit of treating his beasts well I think that he will treat
                                    others equally well.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="8"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Granted! but when
                                    we have found a man who seems worthy of our friendship, how are
                                    we to set about making him our friend?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">First we should seek
                                    guidance from the gods, whether they counsel us to make a friend
                                    of him.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">And next? Supposing that we have chosen and the
                                    gods approve him, can you say how is he to be
                                hunted?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="9"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Surely not like a
                                    hare by swift pursuit, nor like birds by cunning, nor like
                                        enemies<note resp="Loeb" anchored="true">Or <foreign xml:lang="grc">κάπροι</foreign>, <q type="emph">boars.</q></note> by force. It is no light task to
                                    capture a friend against his will, and hard to keep him a
                                    prisoner like a slave. Hatred, rather than friendship, comes of
                                    that treatment.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="10"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">But how does
                                    friendship come?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">There are spells, they say, wherewith those who
                                    know charm whom they will and make friends of them, and drugs
                                    which those who know give to whom they choose and win their
                                    love.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="11"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">How then can we
                                    learn them?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">You have heard from Homer the spell that the
                                    Sirens put on Odysseus. It begins like this:<cit><quote type="verse"><l met="u">Hither, come hither,
                                                renowned Odysseus, great glory of the
                                            Achaeans.</l></quote><note resp="Loeb" anchored="true"><bibl n="Hom. Od. 12.184">Hom. Od. 12.184</bibl></note></cit></said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Then did the Sirens chant in this strain for other folk too,
                                            <persName><surname>Socrates</surname></persName>, so as
                                    to keep those who were under the spell from leaving
                                    them?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="12"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">No, only for
                                    those that yearned for the fame that virtue
                                    gives.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">You mean, I take it, that the spell must be fitted to the
                                    listener, so that he may not take the praise for
                                    mockery.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Yes; for to praise one for his beauty, his stature
                                    and his strength who is conscious that he is short, ugly and
                                    puny, is the way to repel him and make him dislike you
                                    more.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Do you know any other spells?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="13"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">No, but I have
                                    heard that Pericles knew many and put them on the city, and so
                                    made her love him.</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">And how did Themistocles make the city love
                                    him?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Not by spells: no, no; but by hanging some good amulet about
                                    her.</said><note resp="Loeb" anchored="true">i.e., not by his
                                    words, but by protecting <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> with ships and
                                fortifications.</note></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="14"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">I think you mean,
                                            <persName><surname>Socrates</surname></persName>, that
                                    if we are to win a good man’s friendship, we ourselves must be
                                    good in word and deed alike?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">But you imagined that a bad man
                                    could win the friendship of honest men?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="15"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">I did,</said>
                                answered Critobulus, <said direct="true">for I saw that poor orators
                                    have good speakers among their friends, and some who are
                                    incapable of commanding an army are intimate with great
                                    generals.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="16"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Coming then to
                                    the point under discussion, do you know cases of useless persons
                                    making useful friends?</said><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Assuredly not; but if it is impossible
                                    that the bad should gain the friendship of gentlemen, then I am
                                    anxious to know whether it is quite easy for a gentleman as a
                                    matter of course to be the friend of gentlemen?</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="17"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Your trouble is,
                                    Critobulus, that you often find men who do good and shun evil
                                    not on friendly terms, but apt to quarrel and treat one another
                                    more harshly than worthless fellows.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="18"><p><milestone unit="para" ed="P"/><said direct="true">Yes,</said> said
                                Critobulus, <said direct="true">and such conduct is not confined to
                                    individuals, but even the cities that care most for the right
                                    and have least liking for the wrong are often at
                                enmity.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="19"><p><said direct="true" rend="merge">These thoughts make me despair about
                                    the acquisition of friends. For I see on the one hand that
                                    rogues cannot be friends with one another — for how could the
                                    ungrateful, the careless, the selfish, the faithless, the
                                    incontinent, form friendships? I feel sure, then, that rogues
                                    are by their nature enemies rather than friends.</said></p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" n="20"><p><said direct="true" rend="merge">But then, as you point out, neither
                                    can rogues ever join in friendship with honest men, for how can
                                    wrongdoers become friendly with those who hate their conduct?
                                    And if we must add that the votaries of virtue strive with one
                                    another for headship in cities, and envy and hate one another,
                                    who then will be friends and where shall loyalty and
                                    faithfulness be found?</said></p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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