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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg021.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="221" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> “In truth, however, it is not you alone who fail to distinguish those who make good use
          of things, but, I might almost say, the great majority of the Hellenes. For whenever they
          see or hear from others that any people devote themselves zealously to what appear to be
          good practices, they extol them and make many speeches about them, without knowing what
          will be the effects of this devotion. </p></div><div n="222" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>However, those who desire to form a correct judgement about such people should remain
          silent and have no opinion about them in the beginning, but when the time comes when they
          can observe them both speaking and taking action regarding both private and public
          affairs, </p></div><div n="223" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>then they should take accurate note of what they do in each case; and when men make good
          use of the things which they have practised, they should praise and honor them, but when
          they go wrong and do evil they should censure and abhor them and guard themselves against
          their ways, bearing in mind that things do not of their own nature either help or harm us,
          but that the manner in which they are used and employed by men is the cause of all the
          things which befall us.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 3.3">Isoc.
              3.3-4</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 15.251">Isoc. 15.251-252</bibl>.</note> One may grasp the
          truth of this from the following consideration: </p></div><div n="224" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>things which are in themselves always the same and never different are to some helpful
          and to others harmful. And yet it is not conceivable that each thing should have a nature
          which itself is contrary to itself and not the same. But, on the other hand, who that can
          reason correctly will not look upon it as natural that the consequences should be by no
          means the same in the case of those who act rightly and justly and in the case of those
          who act willfully and wickedly? </p></div><div n="225" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> “This same argument applies also to the matter of concord; for this is not different in
          its nature from the things which I have discussed; on the contrary, we shall find that it
          is in some instances the cause of very many blessings, but in others of the greatest evils
          and misfortunes. And I contend that the concord of the Spartans is of the latter sort. For
          I shall speak the truth even at the risk of appearing to some to say what is quite
          contrary to the general opinion. </p></div><div n="226" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For by being of one mind amongst themselves regarding the outside world they have always
          striven to set the Hellenes at variance with each other, reducing this practice, as it
          were, to a fine art and they have always looked upon the cruellest of evils which befell
          the other states as of all things in the world the greatest of boons to themselves; for
          when the states were in such stress, they found it possible to manage them as they
          pleased. So that no one could justly praise them because of their concord, any more than
          one could praise pirates or brigands or men given to other forms of injustice. For such
          men also enjoy concord among themselves<note anchored="true" resp="ed">For this concord
            “honor among thiefs” see <bibl n="Plat. Rep. 351c">Plat. Rep. 351c</bibl>.</note> and
          thereby seek to destroy all others. </p></div><div n="227" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But if I appear to some to use a comparison which is not in keeping with the reputation
          of the Spartans, I discard this and instance the Triballians,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See 50, note.</note> who, according to what all men say, are of one mind as
          are no other people on earth, but are bent on destroying not only those who border upon
          their territory and those who live in their neighborhood but also all others whom they are
          able to reach. </p></div><div n="228" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But men who pretend to excellence must not imitate their example but much rather the
          power of wisdom and of justice and of the other virtues. For these do not work for the
          benefit of their own natures,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See the argument between
            Socrates and Thrasymachus in <bibl n="Plat. Rep. 1">Plat. Rep. 1</bibl>.</note> but
          whomsoever they visit and abide with—these they bless with prosperity and happiness. But
          the Lacedaemonians do the very opposite: whomsoever they approach they seek to destroy and
          they are ever striving to appropriate all the good things which belong to the world at
          large.” </p></div><div n="229" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Having said these things, I silenced the man to whom I had addressed my remarks, albeit
          he was able and experienced in many things and had been trained in speaking no less than
          any of those who had been under my instruction. However, the youths who had been present
          at all this discussion did not form the same judgement as myself, but, while they
          applauded me both for having spoken more vigorously than they anticipated and for having
          debated well, they disparaged my opponent, although in fact they judged neither of us
          correctly </p></div><div n="230" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>but missed the truth as to us both. For he went his way, having grown wiser and feeling
          chastened in spirit, as is becoming to men of intelligence he had experienced the force of
          the inscription at <placeName key="perseus,Delphi">Delphi</placeName> and come to know
          both himself and the nature of the Lacedaemonians better than before. I, on the other
          hand, remained, having perhaps debated effectively, but having because of this very fact
          shown less understanding, cherishing a greater pride than befits men of my age, and given
          over to youthful confusion. </p></div><div n="231" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Manifestly I was in such a state of mind; for when I seized a moment of quiet, I did not
          cease until I had dictated to my boy<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The common term for a
            servant. Slaves were often employed as secretaries.</note> the speech which a short time
          before I had delivered with pleasure but which a little later was to cause me distress.
          For when, after three or four days had elapsed, I was reading and going over it, I found
          that, while I was not troubled about the things which I had said about Athens (for in
          everything which had reference to her I had written well and justly), </p></div><div n="232" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>yet I was distressed and uncomfortable about what I had said with reference to the
          Lacedaemonians. For it seemed to me that I had not spoken of them with moderation nor in
          the same manner as the rest of the world but with contempt and with extreme bitterness and
          altogether without understanding. The result was that I was often on the point of blotting
          out or burning what I had written and as often changed my mind when I thought with pity of
          my old age and of the labour which had been spent upon my discourse. </p></div><div n="233" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Since I was in this state of confusion, shifting frequently from one impulse to the
          other, I decided that the best thing for me to do was to call in those of my former
          disciples who lived in the city and take counsel with them as to whether my discourse was
          to be entirely destroyed or to be distributed among those who desired to have it, and to
          follow their judgement whatever it might be. Having so resolved, I lost no time; they whom
          I have mentioned were summoned at once; I announced to them beforehand the object of their
          coming together the speech was read aloud, was praised and applauded and accorded even
          such a reception as is given to successful declamations.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">“Epideictic” speeches—orations composed to display the powers of the speaker.</note>
        </p></div><div n="234" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But when all this demonstration had come to an end, the others present began to talk
          among themselves, presumably about the discourse which had been read. But the man whom I
          had sent for at first to obtain his advice (the panegyrist of the Lacedaemonians, to whom
          I had spoken at greater length than I should), having remained silent in the meantime,
          turned to me and said that he was in doubt what to do in the present situation, for he
          desired neither to discredit the words which I had spoken nor was he able to credit them
          entirely. </p></div><div n="235" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>“For I wonder,” he continued, “whether you were as distressed and uncomfortable about the
          things which you had said concerning the Lacedaemonians as you allege—for I see nothing in
          what you have written to indicate such a feeling—and whether you really brought us
          together because you desired to get our advice about your discourse, since you knew well
          enough that we always commend whatever you say or do. Men of intelligence are accustomed
          to take common counsel with others regarding matters about which they are concerned,
          preferably with those who are wiser than themselves, but, at any rate, with those who will
          express their own judgement. But you have done the very opposite. </p></div><div n="236" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Therefore I accept neither of these explanations but am rather of the opinion that you
          summoned us here and pronounced your encomium on Athens, not ingenuously nor for the
          reason you stated to us, but because you wanted to test us to see if we were true to the
          cultivated life, if we remembered what had been said to us under your tutelage, and if we
          could grasp at once the manner in which your speech was written— </p></div><div n="237" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>that you chose, and chose wisely, to eulogize your own city in order that you might
          gratify the multitude of your fellow-citizens and that you might win the acclaim of those
          who are friendly disposed towards you. But having so decided, you conceived that if you
          confined your discourse to Athens alone and repeated the fables about her which fall
          easily from the lips of everyone, your speech would appear no different from those which
          had been composed by the other orators (which would cause you extreme humiliation and
          distress), </p></div><div n="238" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>whereas if you discarded these fables and dealt with her acknowledged achievements, which
          have brought many blessings to the Hellenes, and compared these with the deeds of the
          Lacedaemonians, praising the achievements of your ancestors and censuring the things which
          have been done by the Lacedaemonians, not only would your discourse make a more striking
          impression upon your hearers but you yourself would lose no ground, and many would admire
          such a treatment of the theme more than what had been written by the other orators. </p></div><div n="239" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> “At the first, then, so it appears to me, this was the manner in which you reviewed and
          thought upon your problem. But since you knew that you had praised the government of the
          Spartans more than any other man,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">An exaggeration. But see
              <bibl n="Isoc. 6">Isoc. 6</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 7.7">Isoc. 7.7</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 3.24">Isoc. 3.24</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 8.142">Isoc. 8.142 ff.</bibl></note>
          you feared lest you might impress those who had heard this praise as no different from the
          orators who speak without conviction or principle, if, that is to say, you censured on the
          present occasion those whom you formerly were wont to praise above all others. Pondering
          this difficulty, you proceeded to study in what light you could represent each of these
          two cities in order that you might seem to speak the truth about them both and that you
          might be able to praise your ancestors, just as you purposed to do, and at the same time
          to appear to be censuring the Spartans in the eyes of those who have no liking for them,
          while in reality doing nothing of the sort but covertly praising them instead. </p></div><div n="240" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Seeking such an effect, you found without difficulty arguments of double meaning, which
          lend themselves no more to the purpose of those who praise than of those who blame, but
          are capable of being turned both ways and leave room for much disputation—arguments the
          employment of which, when one contends in court over contracts for his own advantage, is
          shameful and no slight token of depravity but, when one discourses on the nature of man
          and of things, is honorable and bespeaks a cultivated mind.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Surely this is ironical.</note>
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