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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg021.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="181" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But why make a long story by detailing all the outrages which were visited upon the
          common people? Why not, rather, mention the greatest of their misfortunes and refuse to be
          burdened with the rest? For over these people, who have from the beginning suffered evils
          so dreadful, but in present emergencies are found so useful, the Ephors have the power to
          put to death without trial as many as they please,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The
            Perioeci, like the Helots, were subject to military service more and more as the pure
            Spartan population declined; but Isocrates' complaint that they were made to take the
            brunt of danger is probably an exaggeration. However, the power of the Spartan
            magistrates, the Ephors, to condemn them to death without trial is well attested. See
            Gilbert, <title>Greek Constitutional Antiquities</title> p. 58.</note> whereas in the
          other states of <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName> it is a crime against the
          gods to stain one's hands with the blood of even the basest of slaves. </p></div><div n="182" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But the reason I have at some length gone into their domestic policy and the wrongs
          which they have committed against the common people is, that I may ask those who applaud
          all the actions of the Spartans whether they applaud these also and whether they look upon
          those struggles as righteous and honorable which have been carried on against these men.
        </p></div><div n="183" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For I, for my part, regard them as having been great and terrible and the source of many
          injuries to the defeated and of many gains to the victors—gains for whose sake they are at
          all times continually waging war—but not, no, not as righteous or even as honorable or
          becoming to men who lay claim to excellence. I speak, not of excellence as that word is
          used in the arts or in many other activities, but of the excellence which in the hearts of
          good men and true is engendered in company with righteousness and justice. And it is this
          kind of excellence which is the subject of my whole discourse. </p></div><div n="184" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But depreciating this, some men heap praise upon those who have committed more crimes
          than all others and are not aware that they are betraying their own thoughts and showing
          that they would praise also men who, already possessing more wealth than they need, would
          not scruple to slay their own brothers and friends and associates so as to obtain their
          possessions also. For such crimes are parallel to the things which the Spartans have done.
          And those who applaud the latter cannot escape taking the same view also of the crimes
          which I have just mentioned. </p></div><div n="185" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I marvel that there are none who regard battles and victories won contrary to justice as
          more disgraceful and fraught with greater reproaches than defeats which are met without
          dishonor—and that too, knowing that great, but evil, powers prove often stronger than good
          men who choose to risk their lives for their country. </p></div><div n="186" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For such men are much more deserving of our praise than those who, while ready and
          willing to face death to gain the possessions of others, are yet in no wise different from
          hireling soldiers. For these are the acts of men depraved, and if men of honest purpose
          sometimes come off worse in the struggle than men who desire to do injustice, we may
          attribute this to negligence of the gods. </p></div><div n="187" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But I might apply this point also to the misfortune which befell the Spartans at
            <placeName key="perseus,Thermopylae">Thermopylae</placeName>, which all who have heard
          of it praise and admire more than the battles and victories which have been won over
          adversaries against whom wars ought never to have been waged,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 5.148">Isoc. 5.148</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 4.90">Isoc.
              4.90</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 6.99">Isoc. 6.99-100</bibl>.</note> albeit some are
          without scruple in extolling such successes, not realizing that nothing is either
          righteous or honorable which is not said or done with justice.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The high moral tone here is, like the plea for absolute justice as a principle
            of foreign policy in the Peace, inconsistent with the “practical” doctrine of <bibl n="Isoc. 12.117">Isoc. 12.117-118</bibl>. See note on 118.</note>
        </p></div><div n="188" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But the Spartans have never given a thought to this truth; for they look to no other
          object than that of securing for themselves as many of the possessions of other peoples as
          they can. Our ancestors, on the other hand, have shown concern for nothing in the world so
          much as for a good name among the Hellenes; for they considered that there could be no
          truer or fairer judgement than that which is rendered by a whole race of people. </p></div><div n="189" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>And they have been manifestly of this mind both in their government of the state in other
          respects and in the conduct of the greatest affairs. For in the three wars,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Three “wars,” with no attention to chronology: (1) that
            against Xerxes; (2) the warfare connected with the Ionian Colonization; (3) four
            campaigns summarized as one, all dealing with invasions: (a) that against Eumolpus and
            the Thracians; (b) that against the Scythians; (c) that against Eurystheus; (d) that
            against Dareius.</note> apart from the Trojan war, which were fought by the Hellenes
          against the barbarians—in all these they placed our city in the forefront of the fighting.
          Of these wars, one was the struggle against Xerxes,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See
              <bibl n="Isoc. 12.49">Isoc. 12.49 ff.</bibl></note> in which they were as much
          superior to the Lacedaemonians in every crisis as were the latter to the rest of the
          Hellenes. </p></div><div n="190" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Another was the war connected with the founding of the colonies,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 12.42">Isoc. 12.42 ff.</bibl> and <bibl n="Isoc. 12.164">Isoc. 12.164 ff.</bibl></note> in which none of the Dorians came to help them, but in
          which Athens, having been made the leader of those who were lacking in the means of
          subsistence and of all others who desired to join with her, so completely reversed the
          state of affairs that, whereas the barbarians had been wont in times past to seize and
          hold the greatest cities of <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName>, she placed
          the Hellenes in a position where they were able to do what they had formerly suffered.
        </p></div><div n="191" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Now as to the two wars, I have said enough earlier in this discourse.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">In 49 ff., 42 ff., 164 ff.</note> I shall now take up the
          third, which took place when the other Hellenic cities had just been founded and while our
          own city was still ruled by kings. In those days there occurred at the same time very many
          wars and very great perils. I could neither ascertain nor set forth the history of all of
          them, </p></div><div n="192" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>and I shall pass over the great bulk of the things which were then done, but do not now
          press upon us to be told, and shall endeavor to inform you as briefly as I can of the
          enemies who attacked our city, of the battles which deserve to be recalled and recounted,
          of their leaders, and, furthermore, of the pretexts which they alleged, and of the
          strength of the peoples who joined in their campaigns. For these details will be enough to
          discuss in addition to what we have said about our adversaries. </p></div><div n="193" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> For our country was invaded by the Thracians, led by Eumolpus,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.68">Isoc. 4.68</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 6.42">Isoc.
              6.42</bibl>; <bibl n="Isoc. 7.75">Isoc. 7.75</bibl>.</note> son of Poseidon, who
          disputed the possession of Athens with Erechtheus, alleging, that Poseidon had
          appropriated the city before Athena; also by the Scythians, led by the Amazons,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.68">Isoc. 4.68</bibl>.</note> the
          offspring of Ares, who made the expedition to recover Hippolyte,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">A queen of the Amazons, who, according to one legend, being enamored of
            Theseus, deserted her own people and followed him to Athens. In one tradition she meets
            her death fighting against the Amazons, who came to recover her. <bibl n="Paus. 1.2.1">Paus. 1.2.1</bibl>.</note> since she had not only broken the laws which were
          established among them, but had become enamored of Theseus and followed him from her home
          to Athens and there lived with him as his consort; </p></div><div n="194" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>again, by the Peloponnesians, led by Eurystheus,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.58">Isoc. 4.58 ff.</bibl></note> who not only refused to make amends to
          Heracles for his ill-treatment of him but brought an army against our ancestors with the
          object of seizing by force the sons of Heracles, who had taken refuge with us. However, he
          met with the fate which was his due. For so far did he fail of getting our suppliants into
          his power that, having been defeated in battle and taken captive by our people, he became
          the suppliant of those whom he had come to demand of us, and lost his own life. </p></div><div n="195" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Later than Eurystheus, the troops dispatched by Dareius<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.71">Isoc. 4.71-72</bibl>, <bibl n="Isoc. 4.85">Isoc.
              4.85-87</bibl>.</note> to ravage <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName>
          landed at Marathon, fell upon more misfortunes and greater disasters than they had hoped
          to inflict upon our city, and fled in rout from all <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName>. </p></div><div n="196" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> All these whom I have instanced, having invaded our country—not together nor at the same
          time, but as opportunity and self-interest and desire concurred in each case—our ancestors
          conquered in battle and put an end to their insolence. And yet they did not forsake their
          true selves<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See for the figure and the thought, <bibl n="Isoc. 12.32">Isoc. 12.32</bibl>; General Introduction.</note> after they had
          achieved successes of such magnitude nor did they experience the same misadventure as
          those who, owing to the exercise of good and wise judgement, have attained great wealth
          and good reputation, but who, owing to excess of good fortune, have grown overweening,
          lost their senses, and have been brought down to lower and meaner circumstances than those
          which they enjoyed before. </p></div><div n="197" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>On the contrary, they escaped all such aberrations and remained steadfast in the
          character which they had because of the excellence of their government, taking more pride
          in their state of soul and in the quality of their minds than in the battles which had
          been fought, and being more admired by the rest of the world because of this self-control
          and moderation than because of the bravery displayed in their perils. </p></div><div n="198" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For all men saw that the fighting spirit is possessed by many even of those who outdo
          others in villainy, while that spirit which is beneficent in all things and is helpful to
          all men is not shared by the depraved, but is engendered only in men who are of good birth
          and breeding and education—even such as were those who then governed our city and brought
          to pass all the good things which I have described. </p></div><div n="199" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Now I observe that the other orators close their discourses with the greatest and most
          memorable deeds, but, while I commend the wisdom of those who hold and practise this
          principle, yet I am not in a position to do this same thing, but am compelled to go on
          with my discourse. The reason why, I shall explain presently, after first saying just a
          word. </p></div><div n="200" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> After I had written out my discourse as far as what has been read, I was revising it
          with three or four youths who are wont to spend their time in my society. And when, on
          going over what I had written, it seemed to us to be good and to require only an ending,
          it occurred to me to send for one of those who had studied with me<note anchored="true" resp="ed">It has been conjectured, with no degree of certainty, that the pupil here
            referred to was Theopompus, the historian.</note> but had lived under an oligarchy and
          had elected to extol the Lacedaemonians. I did this in order that, if any false statement
          had escaped me, he might detect it and point it out to me. </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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