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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg021.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="105" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But having failed in this treachery and betrayed their purposes to the world and made
          themselves hated by all mankind, they were plunged into such a state of warfare and
          confusion as men should expect after having played false with both the Hellenes and the
          barbarians. I do not know what I need to take the time to say further about them except
          that after they had been defeated in the naval battle<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The
            battle of <placeName key="tgn,5003757">Cnidus</placeName>, 394 b.c., in which the
            Spartan fleet was defeated by the joint fleets of Conon, the Athenian admiral, and
            Pharnabazus, the Persian satrap.</note> by the forces of the King and by the leadership
          of Conon they made a peace<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Peace of Antalcidas. See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.115">Isoc. 4.115</bibl> and note.</note>
        </p></div><div n="106" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>of such a character that no one can point out in all history one more shameful, more
          reprehensible, more derogatory to the Hellenes, or more contradictory to what is said by
          certain eulogists of the virtue of the Lacedaemonians. For when the King had established
          them as masters over the Hellenes, they attempted to rob him of his kingdom and of all his
          good fortune, but when the King defeated them in battle on the sea and humbled them, they
          gave over to him, not a small contingent of the Hellenes, but all those who dwelt in
            <placeName key="tgn,1000004">Asia</placeName>, explicitly writing into the treaty that
          he should do with these according to his pleasure; </p></div><div n="107" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>and they were not ashamed of entering into such covenants regarding men by whose help as
          allies they prevailed over us, became masters of the Hellenes, and expected to subdue the
          whole of Asia; on the contrary, they inscribed such covenants in their own temples<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.180">Isoc. 4.180</bibl>.</note> and
          compelled their allies to do the same. </p></div><div n="108" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Now others will not care, I suppose, to hear about any further deeds, but will think
          that they have learned well enough from those which I have described what has been the
          character of each of these two states in their treatment of the Hellenes. I, however, do
          not share this feeling but consider that the subject which I undertook requires still many
          other arguments, and above all such as will show the folly of those who will attempt to
          refute what I have said, and these arguments I think I shall find ready at hand. </p></div><div n="109" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For of those who applaud all the actions of the Lacedaemonians, the best and the most
          discerning will, I think, commend the polity of the Spartans and remain of the same
          opinion about it as before, but will concede the truth of what I have said about the
          things which they have done to the Hellenes. </p></div><div n="110" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Those, however, who are inferior not only to these but to the great majority of men and
          who could not speak tolerably about any other subject, albeit they are not able to keep
          silent about the Lacedaemonians, but expect that if they extol them extravagantly they
          will gain a reputation equal to those who are reputed abler and much better than
          themselves— </p></div><div n="111" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>these men, when they perceive that all the topics have been covered and find themselves
          unable to gainsay a single point which I have made, will, I think, turn their attention to
          the question of polities, comparing the institutions of <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName> and of Athens, and especially their sobriety and discipline with our
          carelessness and slackness, and will eulogize the Spartans on these grounds. </p></div><div n="112" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> If, however, they attempt anything of the sort, all intelligent men should condemn them
          as speaking beside the point. For I undertook my subject with the avowed purpose, not of
          discussing polities, but of proving that our city has been of much greater service to the
          Hellenes than has the city of the Lacedaemonians. If, then, they can overthrow any of
          these proofs or cite other achievements common to both these cities in which the Spartans
          have shown themselves superior to us, naturally they should be commended. But if they
          attempt to bring in matters of which I have made no mention, they will deserve the censure
          of all for their lack of perception. </p></div><div n="113" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Nevertheless, since I anticipate that they will inject the question of polities into the
          debate, I shall not shirk from discussing it. For I think that I shall prove that in this
          very matter our city has excelled more than in those which I have already mentioned. </p></div><div n="114" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> And let no one suppose that I have said these things with reference to our present
          polity, which we were forced by circumstances to adopt, but rather with reference to the
          polity of our ancestors,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The democracy of Solon and
            Cleisthenes, much praised in the <bibl n="Isoc. 7.">Isoc. 7.</bibl>.</note> from which
          our fathers<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Beginning with Aristides and Themistocles,
            especially the latter, who made Athens a sea-power.</note> changed over to that which is
          now in force, not because they condemned the older polity—on the contrary, for the other
          activities of the state they preferred it as much superior—, but because they considered
          that for the exercise of supremacy by sea this polity was more expedient by adopting which
          and wisely administering it they were able to fend off both the plots of the Spartans and
          the armed forces of all the Peloponnesians, over whom it was of vital import to Athens,
          especially at that time, to have the upper hand in war. </p></div><div n="115" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>So that no one could justly condemn those who chose our present polity.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">This making a virtue of necessity is inconsistent with
            Isocrates' uncompromising attitude toward the excesses of the later democracy in the
              <bibl n="Isoc. 7.">Isoc. 7.</bibl>, the <bibl n="Isoc. 8.">Isoc. 8.</bibl>, and even
            in this discourse.</note> For they were not disappointed in their expectations, nor were
          they at all blind to both the good and the bad features attached to either form of rule,
          but, on the contrary, saw clearly that while a land-power is fostered by order and
          sobriety and discipline and other like qualities,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 8.102">Isoc. 8.102</bibl>.</note> a sea-power is not augmented by these </p></div><div n="116" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>but by the crafts which have to do with the building of ships and by men who are able to
          row them—men who have lost their own possessions and are accustomed to derive their
          livelihood from the possessions of others.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The homeless
            refugees who enlisted in the naval service of Athens for pay and the chance to pillage.
            See especially <bibl n="Isoc. 8.44">Isoc. 8.44 ff.</bibl> and <bibl n="Isoc. L. 9.9">Isoc. Letter 9.9</bibl>.</note> Our fathers did not fail to foresee that with the
          introduction of these elements into the state the order and discipline of the former
          polity would be relaxed<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Eur. Hec. 607">Eur.
              Hec. 607</bibl>: <foreign xml:lang="greek">nautikh/ t' a)narxi/a</foreign>.</note> and
          that the good will of our allies would soon undergo a change when the Athenians should
          compel the Hellenes, to whom they had previously given lands and cities, to pay
          contributions and tribute to Athens in order that she might have the means to pay the kind
          of men whom I mentioned a moment ago. </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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