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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg019.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="201" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>These are the requirements they set up, and yet they have never heard me make such
          promises, nor have they ever seen like results in the other arts and disciplines. On the
          contrary, all knowledge yields itself up to us only after great effort on our part, and we
          are by no means all equally capable of working out in practice what we learn. Nay, from
          all our schools only two or three students turn out to be real champions,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">That is, champions in the contests of oratory.</note> the rest
          retiring from their studies into private life.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">As
            distinguished from the professional life of public orators and teachers of oratory. Cf.
            204.</note>
        </p></div><div n="202" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> And yet how can we fail to deny intelligence to those who have the effrontery to demand
          powers which are not found in the recognized arts of this which they declare is not an art
          and who expect greater advantages to come from an art in which they do not believe than
          from arts which they regard as thoroughly perfected? </p></div><div n="203" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Men of intelligence ought not to form contrary judgements about similar things<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. 253; <bibl n="Isoc. 8.114">Isoc. 8.114</bibl>.</note> nor
          refuse to recognize a discipline which accomplishes the same results as most of the arts.
          For who among you does not know that most of those who have sat under the sophists have
          not been duped nor affected as these men claim, </p></div><div n="204" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>but that some of them have been turned out competent champions and others able teachers;
          while those who have preferred to live in private have become more gracious in their
          social intercourse<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See General Introd. p. xxvi.</note> than
          before, and keener judges and more prudent counsellors than the great majority? How then
          is it possible to scorn a discipline which is able to make of those who have taken
          advantage of it men of that kind? </p></div><div n="205" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Furthermore, this also will be agreed to by all men, namely, that in all the arts and
          crafts we regard those as the most skilled who turn out pupils who all work as far as
          possible in the same manner. Now it will be seen that this is the case with philosophy.
        </p></div><div n="206" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For all who have been under a true and intelligent guide will be found to have a power of
          speech so similar that it is evident to everyone that they have shared the same training.
          And yet, had not a common habit and a common technique of training been instilled into
          them, it is inconceivable that they should have taken on this likeness. </p></div><div n="207" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Again, every one of you could name many of your schoolfellows who when they were boys
          seemed to be the dullest among their companions, but who, growing older, outstripped them
          farther in intelligence and in speech than they had lagged behind them when they were
          boys. From this fact you can best judge what training can do; for it is evident that when
          they were young they all possessed such mental powers as they were born with, but as they
          grew to be men, these outstripped the others and changed places with them in intelligence,
          because their companions lived dissolutely and softly, while they gave heed to their own
          opportunities and to their own welfare. </p></div><div n="208" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But when people succeed in making progress through their own diligence alone, how can
          they fail to improve in a much greater degree both over themselves and over others if they
          put themselves under a master who is mature, of great experience, and learned not only in
          what has been handed down to him but in what he has discovered for himself? </p></div><div n="209" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But there remain still other reasons why everyone may well be astonished at the
          ignorance in men who venture so blindly to condemn philosophy. For, in the first place,
          they know that pains and industry give proficiency in all other activities and arts, yet
          deny that they have any such power in the training of the intellect; </p></div><div n="210" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>secondly, they admit that no physical weakness is so hopeless that it cannot be improved
          by exercise and effort, but they do not believe that our minds, which are naturally
          superior to our bodies, can be made more serviceable through education and suitable
          training; </p></div><div n="211" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>again, they observe that some people possess the art of training horses and dogs and most
          other animals by which they make them more spirited, gentle or intelligent, as the case
          may be, yet they do not think that any education has been discovered for training human
          nature, such as can improve men in any of those respects in which we improve the beasts.
        </p></div><div n="212" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Nay, so great is the misfortune which they impute to us all, that while they would
          acknowledge that it is by our mental powers that every creature is improved and made more
          useful, yet they have the hardihood to claim that we ourselves, who are endowed with an
          intelligence through which we render all creatures of greater worth, cannot help each
          other to advance in excellence.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 2.12">Isoc. 2.12</bibl> and note, Vol. I. p. 47.</note>
        </p></div><div n="213" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But most absurd of all, they behold in the shows which are held year after year lions
          which are more gentle toward their trainers than some people are toward their benefactors,
          and bears which dance about and wrestle and imitate our skill, </p></div><div n="214" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>and yet they are not able to judge even from these instances the power which education
          and training have, nor can they see that human nature will respond more promptly than the
          animals to the benefits of education. In truth, I cannot make up my mind which should
          astonish us the more—the gentleness which is implanted in the fiercest of wild beasts or
          the brutishness which resides in the souls of such men. </p></div><div n="215" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> One might say more upon this head, but if I say too much on questions about which most
          men are agreed, I fear you may suspect that I have little to say on questions which are in
          dispute. Therefore I shall leave this subject and turn my attention to a class of people
          who do not, to be sure, contemn philosophy but condemn it much more bitterly since they
          attribute the iniquities of those who profess to be sophists,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">That is, teachers of wisdom. He means so-called sophists, such as teachers of
            forensic skill, who bring all sophists into disrepute.</note> but in practice are far
          different, to those whose ways have nothing in common with them. </p></div><div n="216" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But I am speaking, not in behalf of all those who pretend to be able to educate the
          young, but in behalf of those only who have justly earned this reputation, and I think
          that I shall convince you that my accusers have shot very wide of the truth if only you
          are willing to hear me to the end. </p></div><div n="217" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> In the first place, then, we must determine what are the objects which make people
          venture to do evil; for if we define these correctly, you will be better able to make up
          your minds whether the charges which have been made against us are true or false. Well
          then, I maintain that everyone does everything which he does for the sake of pleasure or
          gain or honor; for I observe that no desire springs up in men save for these objects. </p></div><div n="218" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>If this be so, it only remains to consider which of these objects we should attain by
          corrupting the young. Do you suppose it would give us pleasure to see or hear that our
          pupils were bad and in evil repute with their fellow-citizens? And who is so insensate
          that he would not be distressed to have such things reported about himself? </p></div><div n="219" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But surely we could not expect to be admired nor to enjoy great honor for sending out
          disciples of that sort; on the contrary, we should be much more despised and hated than
          those who are charged with other forms of villainy. And, mark you, even if we could shut
          our eyes to these consequences, we could not gain the most money by directing a training
          of that character; </p></div><div n="220" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>for, I suppose, all men are aware that a sophist reaps his finest and his largest reward
          when his pupils prove to be honorable and intelligent and highly esteemed by their
          fellow-citizens, since pupils of that sort inspire many with the desire to enjoy his
          teaching, while those who are depraved repel even those who were formerly minded to join
          his classes. Who, then, could be blind to the more profitable course, when there is so
          vast a difference between the two? </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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