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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg017.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="61" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Now it is not difficult to reply to those who take us to task without reason. But if
          anyone among those who are more fair-minded were to confront me and object, while
          conceding that I speak the truth and am correct in condemning the things which are taking
          place, that we have a right to expect of those who seek to admonish us with friendly
          purpose that they should not only denounce what has been done<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See also <bibl n="Dem. 1.16">Dem. 1.16</bibl>.</note>
        </p></div><div n="62" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>but should also counsel us what to abstain from and what to strive for in order to cease
          from this way of thinking and from making such blunders, his objection would place me at a
          loss, not for a true answer and one that would be profitable, but for one that would be
          acceptable to you. But since I have set out to speak openly I must not shrink from
          disclosing what I think on these matters also. </p></div><div n="63" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Well then, the qualities which we must possess as a foundation if we are to be happy and
          prosperous, namely, piety and moderation and justice and virtue in all its phases, I
          mentioned a moment ago.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See 31-35.</note> But as to the
          means by which we may most speedily be taught to attain to such a character, what I am
          going to say will probably seem repellent to you when you have heard it as well as far
          removed from the opinions held by the rest of the world. </p></div><div n="64" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For I, for my part, consider that we shall manage our city to better advantage and be
          ourselves better men and go forward in all our undertakings if we stop setting our hearts
          on the empire of the sea. For it is this which plunged us into our present state of
          disorder, which overthrew that democratic government<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Established by Solon and Cleisthenes, who are much praised in the
              <title>Areopagiticus</title>, <bibl n="Isoc. 7">Isoc. 7</bibl>.</note> under which our
          ancestors lived and were the happiest of the Hellenes, and which is the cause, one might
          almost say, of all the ills which we both suffer ourselves and inflict upon the rest of
          the Hellenes. </p></div><div n="65" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I know, however, that it is difficult for one who attempts to denounce that imperial
          power which all the world lusts after and has waged many wars to obtain to impress his
          hearers as saying anything which is not intolerable. Nevertheless, since you have endured
          the other things which I have said, which, although true, are offensive, </p></div><div n="66" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>I beg you to be patient also with what I shall say upon this subject and not to impute to
          me the madness of having chosen to discourse to you on matters so contrary to the general
          opinion without having something true to say about them. Nay, I believe that I shall make
          it evident to all that we covet an empire which is neither just nor capable of being
          attained nor advantageous to ourselves. </p></div><div n="67" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Now that it is not just I can show you by lessons which I have learned from yourselves.
          For when the Lacedaemonians held this power,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">After <date when="-0404">404 B.C.</date></note> what eloquence did we not expend in denouncing
          their rule, contending that it was just for the Hellenes to enjoy independence? </p></div><div n="68" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>What cities of repute did we not call upon to join the alliance<note anchored="true" resp="ed">In 395, at <placeName key="perseus,Corinth">Corinth</placeName>, an
            anti-Spartan alliance was entered.</note> which was formed in this cause? How many
          embassies did we not dispatch to the great King<note anchored="true" resp="ed">That headed
            by Conon in <date when="-0395">395 B.C.</date> is known.</note> to convince him that it
          was neither just nor expedient for one state to dominate the Hellenes? Indeed we did not
          cease waging war and facing perils both by land and sea until the Lacedaemonians were
          willing to enter into the treaty which guaranteed our independence.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The Peace of Antalcidas.</note>
        </p></div><div n="69" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> At that time, then, we recognized the principle that it is not just for the stronger to
          rule over the weaker,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">That is, we recognized it as valid
            not only in our domestic relations but in our foreign policy.</note> even as now we
          recognize it in the nature of the polity which has been established amongst ourselves. But
          that we could not, if we would, attain to this empire by conquest I think I shall quickly
          prove. For when, with the help of ten thousand talents,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">A
            round number. Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 15.234">Isoc. 15.234</bibl>. In 126 he speaks of 8000.
            Thucydides (ii.13. 3) states that 9700 talents was the largest amount ever stored on the
            Acropolis.</note> we were not able to retain it, how can we acquire it in our present
          state of poverty, especially since we are now addicted, not to the ways of life by which
          we gained it, but to those by which we lost it? </p></div><div n="70" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Furthermore, that it is not even for the advantage of the state to accept this empire, if
          it were offered to us, I think you will learn very quickly from what further I have to
          say. But first I want to say a word by way of leading up to this point, fearing that, on
          account of my many strictures, I may give the impression to some of you of having chosen
          to denounce our city. </p></div><div n="71" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> If I were attempting to discourse in this manner before any others, I should naturally
          lay myself open to this charge. But now I am addressing myself to you, not with the wish
          that I may prejudice you in the eyes of others, but with the desire that I may cause you
          to make an end of such a policy and that Athens and the rest of the Hellenes may form a
          lasting peace. </p></div><div n="72" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But those who admonish and those who denounce cannot avoid using similar words, although
          their purposes are as opposite as they can be.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 4.130">Isoc. 4.130</bibl>.</note> You ought not, therefore, to have the same
          feeling towards all who use the same language but, while abhorring those who revile you to
          your harm as inimical to the state, you ought to commend those who admonish you for your
          good and to esteem them as the best of your fellow-citizens, </p></div><div n="73" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>and him most of all, even among them, who is able to point out most vividly the evils of
          your practices and the disasters which result from them. For such a man can soonest bring
          you to abhor what you should abhor and to set your hearts on better things. These, then,
          are the things which I have to say in defense of my harshness both in the words which I
          have spoken and those which I am about to speak. I will now resume at the place where I
          left off. </p></div><div n="74" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For I was on the point of saying that you could best learn that it is not to your
          advantage to obtain the empire of the sea if you should consider what was the condition of
          Athens before she acquired this power and what after she obtained it. For if you will
          examine one condition in contrast with the other you will see how many evils this power
          has brought upon the city. </p></div><div n="75" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Now the polity as it was in the earlier time was as much better and stronger than that
          which obtained later as Aristides and Themistocles and Miltiades<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Demosthenes (<bibl n="Dem. 3.21">Dem. 3.21 ff.</bibl>) compares Aristides and
            Pericles with the present-day orators who say to the people:“What are your desires; what
            shall I propose; how can I please you?”</note> were better men than Hyperbolus<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Hyperbolus, successor to Cleon, the tanner. Aristophanes calls
            him <foreign xml:lang="grc">ponhro/s</foreign> (<bibl n="Aristoph. Peace 684">Aristoph. Peace 684</bibl>); Thucydides, <foreign xml:lang="grc">moxqhro/s</foreign> (<bibl n="Thuc. 8.73">Thuc. 8.73</bibl>).</note> and
            Cleophon<note anchored="true" resp="ed">For Cleophon see <bibl n="Isoc. 8.13">Isoc.
              8.13</bibl>, note.</note> and those who today harangue the people.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Aristophon and Eubulus.</note> And you will find that the
          people who then governed the state were not given over to slackness and poverty and empty
            hopes,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf.“hopes from the platform,” <bibl n="Dem. 4.45">Dem. 4.45</bibl>.</note>
        </p></div><div n="76" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>but were able to conquer in battle all who invaded their territory;<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.86">Isoc. 4.86</bibl>.</note> that they were awarded the
          meed of valor<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.99">Isoc.
            4.99</bibl>.</note> in the wars which they fought for the sake of <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName>; and that they were so trusted that most of the
          states of their own free will placed themselves under their leadership.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.72">Isoc. 4.72</bibl>.</note>
        </p></div><div n="77" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But, notwithstanding these advantages, in place of a polity which was admired by all men
          this power has led us on to a state of license which no one in the world could commend; in
          place of our habit of conquering those who took the field against us it has instilled into
          our citizens such ways that they have not the courage even to go out in front of the walls
          to meet the enemy;<note anchored="true" resp="ed">A rhetorical point. It was Pericles'
            policy in the Peloponnesian War to meet the enemy only on the sea and to keep on the
            defensive on land. He was bitterly criticized for keeping the Athenians cooped up within
            their walls while the Spartans invaded and ravaged their lands.</note>
        </p></div><div n="78" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>and in place of the good will which was accorded us by our allies and of the good repute
          in which we were held by the rest of the Hellenes it brought us into such a degree of
          odium that Athens barely escaped being enslaved and would have suffered this fate had we
          not found the Lacedaemonians, who were at war with us from the first, more friendly than
          those who were formerly our allies<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 7.6">Isoc. 7.6</bibl> and note.</note>— </p></div><div n="79" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>not that we can have any just complaint against the latter for being obdurate towards us;
          for they were not aggressors but on the defensive, and came to have this feeling after
          suffering many grievous wrongs at our hands. For who could have brooked the insolence of
          our fathers? Gathering together from all <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName>
          men who were the worst of idlers and men who had a part in every form of depravity and
          manning their triremes with them,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Mercenaries made up the
            crews at the beginning of the Peloponnesian War. See <bibl n="Thuc. 1.121">Thuc.
              1.121</bibl>.</note> they made themselves odious to the Hellenes,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Thuc. 2.9">Thuc. 2.9</bibl>.</note> driving into exile the best
          of the citizens in the other states<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The aristocratic
            families, in order to make room for the democratic faction. Isocrates evidently means
            that their property was confiscated and used to pay the mercenaries. See <bibl n="Thuc. 8.21">Thuc. 8.21</bibl>. The rhetorical point is the same as in 46.</note>
          and distributing their property among the most depraved of the Hellenes! </p></div><div n="80" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But if I were to make bold to go through in detail what took place in those times I
          might probably help you to be better advised regarding the present situation, but I should
          prejudice my own reputation; for you are wont to hate not so much those who are
          responsible for your mistakes as those who undertake to denounce them. </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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