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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg017.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="1" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> All those who come before you on this platform are accustomed to assert that the
          subjects upon which they are themselves about to advise you are most important and most
          worthy of serious consideration by the state.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. a similar
            statement in <bibl n="Dem. 24.4">Dem. 24.4</bibl>.</note> Nevertheless, if it was ever
          appropriate to preface the discussion of any other subject with such words, it seems to me
          fitting also to begin with them in speaking upon the subject now before us. </p></div><div n="2" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For we are assembled here to deliberate about War and Peace, which exercise the greatest
          power over the life of man, and regarding which those who are correctly advised must of
          necessity fare better than the rest of the world. Such, then, is the magnitude of the
          question which we have come together to decide. </p></div><div n="3" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I observe, however, that you do not hear with equal favor the speakers who address you,
          but that, while you give your attention to some, in the case of others you do not even
          suffer their voice to be heard.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">This expression is used in
            a similar connection in <bibl n="Isoc. 15.22">Isoc. 15.22</bibl>.</note> And it is not
          surprising that you do this; for in the past you have formed the habit of driving all the
          orators from the platform<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Plutarch (<bibl n="Plut. Phoc. 9">Plut. Phoc. 9</bibl>) states that this happened in the case of Phocion.</note> except
          those who support your desires. </p></div><div n="4" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Wherefore one may justly take you to task because, while you know well that many great
            houses<note anchored="true" resp="ed">This term is used of estates in <bibl n="Isoc. 8.117">Isoc. 8.117</bibl>. Here it is used of both families and their
            estates. Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 8.88">Isoc. 8.88</bibl>.</note> have been ruined<note anchored="true" resp="ed">By the casualties and expenses of war.</note> by
            flatterers<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Demagogic leaders of the war party, later
            termed sycophants. See <bibl n="Isoc. 8.121">Isoc. 8.121 ff.</bibl></note> and while in
          your private affairs you abhor those who practice this art, in your public affairs you are
          not so minded towards them; on the contrary, while you denounce those who welcome and
          enjoy the society of such men, you yourselves make it manifest that you place greater
          confidence in them than in the rest of your fellow citizens. </p></div><div n="5" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Indeed, you have caused the orators to practice and study, not what will be advantageous
          to the state, but how they may discourse in a manner pleasing to you. And it is to this
          kind of discourse that the majority of them have resorted also at the present time, since
          it has become plain to all that you will be better pleased with those who summon you to
          war than with those who counsel peace; </p></div><div n="6" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>for the former put into our minds the expectation both of regaining our possessions in
          the several states and of recovering the power which we formerly enjoyed,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">As head of the Confederacy of <placeName key="perseus,Delos">Delos</placeName>, which developed into the Athenian Empire. During the period of
            supremacy, which lasted from the close of the Persian Wars to the end of the
            Peloponnesian War, <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> frequently
            disciplined recalcitrant confederate states by expelling their citizens and settling
            Athenians on their lands. Such settlements were called cleruchies. When <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> formed the new naval confederacy in <date when="-0378">378 B.C.</date> it was expressly stipulated by her allies and agreed to
            by <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> that such abuse of power should
            not be repeated. But the jingoistic orators advocated nothing less than the restoration
            of the former empire with all its powers and practices.</note> while the latter hold
          forth no such hope, insisting rather that we must have peace and not crave great
          possessions contrary to justice,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The state which seizes and
            holds foreign possessions is a robber. Isocrates throughout this discourse proposes to
            make the moral code within the state the basis of her foreign policy.</note> but be
          content with those we have<note anchored="true" resp="ed">A proverbial tag. Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 1.29">Isoc. 1.29</bibl>.</note>—and that for the great majority of mankind is
          of all things the most difficult. </p></div><div n="7" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For we are so dependent on our hopes and so insatiate in seizing what seems to be our
          advantage that not even those who possess the greatest fortunes are willing to rest
          satisfied with them but are always grasping after more and so risking the loss of what
          they have. Wherefore we may well be anxious lest on the present occasion also we may be
          subject to this madness. </p></div><div n="8" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For some of us appear to me to be over zealously bent on war, as though having heard, not
          from haphazard counsellors, but from the gods, that we are destined to succeed in all our
          campaigns and to prevail easily over our foes. But people of intelligence, when dealing
          with matters about which they have knowledge, ought not to take counsel—for this is
          superfluous—but to act as men who are already resolved what to do, whereas, in dealing
          with matters about which they take counsel, they ought not to think that they have exact
          knowledge of what the result will be, but to be minded towards these contingencies as men
          who indeed exercise their best judgement, but are not sure what the future may hold in
            store.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">This some what wordy passsage in which the orator
            becomes the philosopher reflects a fundamental idea of his pedagogy: There can be no
            exact science or knowledge of what to do in all contingencies and relations of life; the
            best that we can do is to develop sound, not infalliable, judgement in dealing with
            them. See General Introd. p. xxvii, Isocrates, Vol. I., L.C.L., and <bibl n="Isoc. 15.184">Isoc. 15.184</bibl>, note.</note>
        </p></div><div n="9" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> You, however, do neither the one thing nor the other, but are in the utmost confusion of
          mind. For you have come together as if it were your business to select the best course
          from all that are proposed; nevertheless, as though you had clear knowledge of what must
          be done, you are not willing to listen to any except those who speak for your pleasure.
        </p></div><div n="10" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>And yet, if you really desired to find out what is advantageous to the state, you ought
          to give your attention more to those who oppose your views than to those who seek to
          gratify you, knowing well that of the orators who come before you here, those who say what
          you desire are able to delude you easily—since what is spoken to win favor clouds your
          vision of what is best—whereas those who advise you without regard to your pleasure can
          affect you in no such way, </p></div><div n="11" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>since they could not convert you to their way of thinking until they have first made
          clear what is for your advantage. But, apart from these considerations, how can men wisely
          pass judgement on the past or take counsel for the future unless they examine and compare
          the arguments of opposing speakers, themselves giving an unbiased hearing<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 15.21">Isoc. 15.21</bibl>; <bibl n="Dem. 18.6">Dem. 18.6</bibl>.</note> to both sides? </p></div><div n="12" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But I marvel that the older men no longer recall and that the younger have not been told
          by anyone that the orators who exhort us to cling fast to peace have never caused us to
          suffer any misfortune whatsoever, whereas those who lightly espouse war have already
          plunged us into many great disasters. However, we have no memory for these facts but are
          always ready, without in the least advancing our own welfare, to man triremes, to levy
          war-taxes, and to lend aid to the campaigns of others or wage war against them, as chance
          may determine, as if imperilling the interests, not of our own, but of a foreign state.
        </p></div><div n="13" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>And the cause of this condition of affairs is that, although you ought to be as much
          concerned about the business of the commonwealth as about your own, you do not feel the
          same interest in the one as in the other; on the contrary, whenever you take counsel
          regarding your private business you seek out as counsellors men who are your superiors in
          intelligence, but whenever you deliberate on the business of the state you distrust and
          dislike men of that character and cultivate, instead, the most depraved<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The private morals of men like Eubulus, Callistratus (see
            Theopompus in <bibl n="Ath. 4.166e">Athen. 4.166e</bibl>), and Philocrates (see <bibl n="Aeschin. 2.52">Aeschin. 2.52</bibl>) apparently left much to be desired.</note> of
          the orators who come before you on this platform; and you prefer as being better friends
          of the people those who are drunk<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Aristotle (<bibl n="Aristot. Ath. Pol. 34">Aristot. Ath. Pol. 34</bibl>) states that when, after the
            battle of Arginusae, <date when="-0406">406 B.C.</date>, the Spartans made overtures of
            peace the demagogue Cleophon came before the Assembly drunk and prevented the Athenians
            from accepting the terms. With this paragraph should be compared <bibl n="Isoc. 15.316">Isoc. 15.316</bibl> and note.</note> to those who are sober, those who are witless to
          those who are wise, and those who dole out the public money<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The reference is particularly to Eubulus, who caused to be set aside a portion of the
            public revenues (the “surplus” mentioned in <bibl n="Isoc. 8.82">Isoc. 8.82</bibl>) as a
            “theoric” fund to be distributed to the people at the public festivals.</note> to those
          who perform public services<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 8.128">Isoc.
              8.128</bibl>, note.</note> at their own expense. So that we may well marvel that
          anyone can expect a state which employs such counsellors to advance to better things. </p></div><div n="14" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But I know that it is hazardous to oppose your views<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf.
            Socrates in <bibl n="Plat. Apol. 31e">Plat. Apol. 31e</bibl>: “No man in the world can
            preserve his life if he honestly opposes himself to you or to any other people and
            attempts to prevent many unjust and lawless things from being done by the state.”</note>
          and that, although this is a free government, there exists no ‘freedom of speech’<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The pride of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>. See <bibl n="Hdt. 5.78">Hdt. 5.78</bibl>; <bibl n="Eur. Hipp. 422">Eur. Hipp. 422</bibl>.</note> except that which is enjoyed in this
          Assembly by the most reckless orators, who care nothing for your welfare, and in the
          theater by the comic poets.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The poets of the old comedy
            exercised an incredible degree of license in ridiculing everything, divine or human,
            particularly the foibles of the state. These comedies were given at the festival of
            Dionysus, when many visitors from other states were in <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>. Aristophanes himself says (<bibl n="Aristoph. Ach. 500">Aristoph.
              Ach. 500 ff.</bibl>) that he was attacked by Cleon for “abusing <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> in the presence of strangers.”</note> And,
          what is most outrageous of all, you show greater favor to those who publish the failings
          of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> to the rest of the Hellenes than you
          show even to those who benefit the city, while you are as ill-disposed to those who rebuke
          and admonish you<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Isocrates resents their attitude towards
            himself in the opening remarks of the <title>Antidosis</title> (<bibl n="Isoc. 15">Isoc.
              15</bibl>).</note> as you are to men who work injury to the state. </p></div><div n="15" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Nevertheless, in spite of these conditions, I shall not desist from what I had in mind
          to say. For I have come before you, not to seek your favor nor to solicit your votes, but
          to make known the views I hold, first, regarding the proposals which have been put before
          you by the Prytaneis,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The Senate of the Five Hundred was
            divided into ten committees of 50, each serving a tenth part of the year. Such a
            committee was called a prytany and its members prytaneis. The prytany formulated
            measures to be brought before the General Assembly.</note> and, second, regarding the
          other interests of the state; for no good will come of the resolutions which have now been
          made regarding the peace<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See Introduction, p. 2, note
            c.</note> unless we are well advised also with regard to what remains to be done. </p></div><div n="16" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I maintain, then, that we should make peace, not only with the Chians, the Rhodians, the
          Byzantines and the Coans, but with all mankind, and that we should adopt, not the
          covenants of peace which certain parties<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Eubulus, whose
            terms of peace were, apparently, not broad enough.</note> have recently drawn up, but
          those which we have entered into<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The Peace of Antalcidas.
            See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.115">Isoc. 4.115</bibl>, note a.</note> with the king of <placeName key="tgn,7000231">Persia</placeName> and with the Lacedaemonians, which ordain that the
          Hellenes be independent, that the alien garrisons be removed from the several states, and
          that each people retain its own territory. For we shall not find terms of peace more just
          than these nor more expedient for our city. </p></div><div n="17" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But if I leave off speaking at this point, I know that I shall appear to put <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> at a disadvantage, if, that is to say, the
          Thebans are to retain possession of <placeName key="tgn,5004258">Thespiae</placeName> and
            <placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName><note anchored="true" resp="ed">See
              <bibl n="Isoc. 6.27">Isoc. 6.27</bibl>, note.</note> and the other cities<note anchored="true" resp="ed"><placeName key="tgn,7011034">Orchomenus</placeName> (<bibl n="Diod. 15.79">Dio. Sic. 15.79</bibl>), Oropus (<bibl n="Diod. 15.76">Dio. Sic.
              15.76</bibl>).</note> which they have seized contrary to their oaths,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">When they agreed to the Peace of Antalcidas.</note> while we
          are to retire, under no compulsion to do so, from the territory which we now hold. But if
          you will only listen to me and give me your attention to the end, I believe that you will
          all impute extreme folly and madness to those who think that injustice is advantageous and
          who would hold in subjection by force the cities of others, failing to reckon with the
          disasters which result from such a policy. </p></div><div n="18" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> On this point indeed I shall attempt to instruct you throughout my entire speech. But
          first let us discuss the question of peace and consider what we should desire for
          ourselves at the present juncture. For if we define this clearly and intelligently, we
          shall take better counsel in the light of this principle regarding our other
            interests<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Their foreign policy in general.</note> as
          well. </p></div><div n="19" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Let me ask, then, whether we should be satisfied if we could dwell in our city secure
          from danger, if we could be provided more abundantly with the necessities of life, if we
          could be of one mind amongst ourselves, and if we could enjoy the high esteem of the
          Hellenes. I, for my part, hold that, with these blessings assured us, <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> would be completely happy. Now it is the
            war<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The Social War.</note> which has robbed us of all the
          good things which I have mentioned; for it has made us poorer;<note anchored="true" resp="ed">In <bibl n="Isoc. 7.9">Isoc. 7.9</bibl>, he states that in the course of the
            war <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> had thrown away 1000 talents on
            mercenary soldiers alone. Demosthenes also bears witness to the poverty and
            embarrassment of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> at this time. See
              <bibl n="Dem. 20.24">Dem. 20.24</bibl>; <bibl n="Dem. 23.209">Dem.
            23.209</bibl>.</note> it has compelled many of us to endure perils; it has given us a
          bad name among the Hellenes; and it has in every way overwhelmed us with misfortune. </p></div><div n="20" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But if we make peace and demean ourselves as our common covenants<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Of the Peace of Antalcidas.</note> command us to do, then we shall dwell in
          our city in great security, delivered from wars and perils and the turmoil in which we are
          now involved amongst ourselves, and we shall advance day by day in prosperity, relieved of
          paying war-taxes, of fitting out triremes, and of discharging the other burdens<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 8.128">Isoc. 8.128</bibl> and note.</note>
          which are imposed by war, without fear cultivating our lands and sailing the seas and
          engaging in those other occupations which now, because of the war, have entirely come to
          an end.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. Aristophanes, <bibl n="Isoc. 8.29">Isoc. 8.292
              ff.</bibl></note>
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