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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg016.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="24" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I have not, it is true, recounted in detail our original titles to this land (for the
          present occasion does not permit me to go into legendary history, and I have had to set
          them forth with too great brevity for clearness); yet I am sure that even this brief
          statement makes it evident to all that there is no difference whatever between the way in
          which we acquired the land which is acknowledged to be ours and the land to which our
          claim is disputed. For we inhabit <placeName key="tgn,7011065">Lacedaemon</placeName>
          because the sons of Heracles gave it to us, because Apollo directed us to do so, and
          because we fought and conquered those who held it; and <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> we received from the same people, in the same way, and by taking
          the advice of the same oracle. </p></div><div n="25" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>To be sure, if we are in a mood not to defend our title to anything, not even if they
          demand that we abandon <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName> itself, it is
          idle to be concerned about <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>; but if
          not one of you would consent to live if torn from the fatherland, then you ought to be of
          the same mind about that country; for in both cases we can advance the same justifications
          and the same reasons for our claim. </p></div><div n="26" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Then again you are doubtless well aware that possessions, whether private or public,
          when they have remained for a long time in the hands of their owner, are by all men
          acknowledged to be hereditary and incontestable. Now we took <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> before the Persians acquired their
            kingdom<note anchored="true" resp="ed">In <date when="-0559">559 B.C.</date>, when Cyrus
            became ruler of <placeName key="tgn,7000231">Persia</placeName>.</note> and became
          masters of the continent, in fact before a number of the Hellenic cities were even
          founded. </p></div><div n="27" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>And yet notwithstanding that we hold these titles, the Thebans would on the one hand
          restore Asia as his ancestral right to the barbarian,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">By
            the peace terms of Pelopidas. See introduction to this oration.</note> who has not yet
          held sway over it for two hundred years, while on the other hand they would rob us of
            <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>, which we have held for more than
          twice that length of time;<note anchored="true" resp="ed"><placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> was not actually subdued until <date from="-0724" to="-0723">724-723 B.C.</date> Perhaps Isocrates is speaking loosely, or perhaps he follows
            another source than Pausanias, who is almost our sole authority for this period.
            However, the conquests of Alcamenes took place about <date when="-0786">786 B.C.</date>,
            and Isocrates perhaps refers to this or a similar event. See <bibl n="Paus. 4.4.3">Paus.
              4.4.3</bibl>. Dinarchus (<bibl n="Din. 1.73">Din. 1.73</bibl>) gives the same figure
            as lsocrates.</note> and although it was only the other day that they razed both
            <placeName key="tgn,5004258">Thespiae</placeName> and <placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName> to the ground,<note anchored="true" resp="ed"><placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName> was destroyed about <date when="-0372">372
              B.C.</date>, and <placeName key="tgn,5004258">Thespiae</placeName> shortly after. See
              <bibl n="Diod. 15.46.4">Dio. Sic. 15.46.4</bibl> and <bibl n="Xen. Hell. 6.3.1">Xen.
              Hell. 6.3.1</bibl>. Others give the date as <date when="-0374">374 B.C.</date></note>
          yet now, after a lapse of four hundred years, they propose to settle their colonists in
            <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> acting in both cases contrary to
          the oaths and covenants.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. the Peace of Antalcidas. See
              <bibl n="Isoc. 4.115">Isoc. 4.115 ff.</bibl> and note.</note>
        </p></div><div n="28" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Were they restoring those who are truly Messenians, they would still be acting unjustly,
          but at least they would have a more plausible pretext for wronging us; but as the case
          stands, it is the Helots whom they are trying to settle on our frontier,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See introduction.</note> so that the worst fate which
          threatens us is not that we shall be robbed of our land contrary to justice, but that we
          shall see our slaves made masters of it. </p></div><div n="29" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> You will perceive still more clearly from what follows both that we are now dealt with
          most unfairly and that in the past we held <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> justly. For in the many wars which have befallen us we have before
          this at times been forced to make peace when we were in much worse case than our
            foes.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">such were the Peace of Nicias (<date when="-0421">421 B.C.</date>, Thucyd. v. 18), the Peace of Antalcidas, and the separate peace
            between <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> and <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName> (<bibl n="Xen. Hell. 6.2.1">Xen. Hell.
              6.2.1</bibl>).</note> But, although our treaties were concluded under circumstances in
          which it was impossible for us to seek any advantage, </p></div><div n="30" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>yet, while there were other matters about which differences arose, neither the Great King
          nor the city of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> ever charged us with
          having acquired <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> unjustly. And yet how
          could we find a more thoroughgoing judgement on the justice of our case than this, which
          was rendered by our enemies and made at a time when we were beset with misfortunes? </p></div><div n="31" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> That oracle, moreover, which all would acknowledge to be the most ancient and the most
          widely accepted and the most trustworthy in existence, recognized <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> as ours, not only at the time when it
          commanded us to receive the country as a gift from the sons of Cresphontes and to go to
          the aid of the wronged, but also later, when the war dragged on and both sides sent
          delegations to <placeName key="perseus,Delphi">Delphi</placeName>, the Messenians
          appealing for deliverance and we inquiring how we could most speedily make ourselves
          masters of their city, the god gave them no answer, thus showing that their appeal was
          unjust, while to us he revealed both what sacrifices we should perform and to whom we
          should send for aid.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">in the second Messenian War,
              <date from="-0685" to="-0668">685-668 B.C.</date>, the Athenians are said to
            have sent Tyrtaeus, the lame school-master, to the aid of the Spartans. See Pausanias
            iv. 15.</note>
        </p></div><div n="32" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> And yet how could anyone furnish testimony more significant or clearer than this? For it
          has been shown, first of all (since nothing prevents our restating these points briefly),
          that we received the country from its rightful owners; secondly, that we took it by war,
          precisely as most of the cities in those days were founded; further, that we drove out
          those who had grievously sinned against the children of Heracles—men who by right should
          have been banished from the sight of all mankind; and, finally, it has been shown that the
          length of our tenure, the judgement of our enemies, and the oracles of Apollo all confirm
          our right to the possession of <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>. </p></div><div n="33" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Anyone of these facts is enough to refute the assertions of those who presume to allege
          against us either that we now refuse to conclude peace because of a desire for
          aggrandizement, or that we then made war on the Messenians because we coveted what was not
          our own. I might perhaps say more than this about our acquisition of <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>, but I consider what I have already said to be
          sufficient </p></div><div n="34" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Those who advise us to make peace declare that prudent men ought not to take the same
          view of things in fortunate as in unfortunate circumstances, but rather that they should
          always consult their immediate situation and accommodate themselves to their fortunes, and
          should never entertain ambitions beyond their power, but should at such times seek, not
          their just rights but their best interests. </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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