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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg021.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="81" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> There is, moreover, connected with the above achievement one which, though less
          significant than those which I have mentioned, is more important and more deserving of
          mention than those which have been extolled again and again. For he commanded an army
          which had come together from all the cities of <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName>, a host whose size may be imagined since it contained many of the
          descendants of the gods and of the direct sons of the gods<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 10.52">Isoc. 10.52</bibl>.</note>—men who were not of the same
          temper as the majority of mankind nor on the same plane of thinking, but full of pride and
          passion and envy and ambition—, </p></div><div n="82" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>and yet he held that army together for ten years, not by great bribes nor by outlays of
          money, by which means all rulers nowadays maintain their power,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Mercenary armies were now commonly relied upon even in <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>. See <bibl n="Isoc. 8.44">Isoc. 8.44
              ff.</bibl></note> but by the supremacy of his genius, by his ability to provide from
          the enemy subsistence for his soldiers, and most of all by his reputation of being better
          advised in the interest of others than others in their own interest. </p></div><div n="83" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But the final achievement by which he crowned all these is no less worthy of admiration.
          For he will be found to have done nothing unseemly or unworthy of these exploits which I
          have already described; on the contrary, although he waged war, ostensibly against a
          single city, but in reality not only against all the peoples who dwelt in <placeName key="tgn,1000004">Asia</placeName> but also against many other races of the barbarians,
          he did not give up fighting nor depart for home before reducing to slavery the city of him
          who had offended against <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName><note anchored="true" resp="ed">Paris, who carried off Helen, the wife of Menelaus.</note> and
          putting an end to the insolence of the barbarians. </p></div><div n="84" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I am well aware of the space which I have given to the praises of Agamemnon's virtue; I
          am well aware also that if any of you should go over these one by one, many as they are,
          to see what might be rejected, no one would venture to subtract a single word, and yet I
          know that when they are read one after the other, all will criticize me for having said
          much more than I should. </p></div><div n="85" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For my part, if I inadvertently prolonged this topic I should be ashamed of being so
          lacking in perception when discoursing on a subject which no one has even ventured to
          discuss. But in fact I knew much better than those who will dare to take me to task that
          many will criticize this excess. I considered, however, that it would be less
          objectionable to be thought by some to disregard due measure in this part of my discourse
          than to leave out, in speaking of such a man, any of the merits which belong to him and
          which it behoves me to mention. </p></div><div n="86" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>I thought also that I should be applauded by the most cultivated of my hearers if I could
          show that I was more concerned when discoursing on the subject of virtue about doing
          justice to the theme than about the symmetry of my speech and that too, knowing well that
          the lack of due proportion in my speech would detract from my own reputation, while just
          appreciation of their deeds would enhance the fame of those whose praises I sing.
          Nevertheless I bade farewell to expediency and chose justice instead. </p></div><div n="87" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>And you will find that I am of this mind not only in what I am now saying but likewise
          upon all occasions, since it will be seen that I take more pleasure in those of my
          disciples who are distinguished for the character of their lives and deeds than in those
          who are reputed to be able speakers. And yet when they speak well, all men will assign the
          credit to me, even though I contribute nothing to what they say, whereas when they act
          right no man will fail to commend the doer of the deed even though all the world may know
          that it was I who advised him what to do.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">these last two
            paragraphs show striking use of antithesis and parisosis—devices of rhetoric which at
            the beginning of this discourse he pretends to have outgrown. See <bibl n="Isoc. 12.2">Isoc. 12.2</bibl> and note.</note>
        </p></div><div n="88" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But I do not know whither I am drifting.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">For this
            rhetorical doubt cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 15.310">Isoc. 15.310</bibl>.</note> For, because I
          think all the time that I must add the point which logically follows what I have said
          before, I have wandered entirely from my subject. There is, therefore, nothing left for me
          to do but to crave indulgence to old age for my forgetfulness and prolixity—faults which
          are wont to be found in men of my years—and go back to the place from which I fell into
          this garrulous strain. </p></div><div n="89" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For I think that I now see the point from which I strayed. I was speaking in reply to
          those who reproach us with the misfortunes of the Melians and of villages with like
          populations, not meaning that we had done no wrong in these instances, but trying to show
          that those who are the idols of these speakers have laid waste more and greater cities
          than the Athenians have done, in which connection I discussed the virtues of Agamemnon and
          Menelaus and Nestor, saying nothing that was not true, though passing, mayhap, the bounds
          of moderation. </p></div><div n="90" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But I did this, supposing that it would be apparent that there could be no greater crime
          than that of those who dared lay waste the cities which bred and reared such great men,
          about whom even now one might say many noble things. But it is perhaps foolish to linger
          upon a single point, as if there were any lack, as if there were not, on the contrary, a
          superabundance of things to say about the cruelty and the harshness of the Lacedaemonians.
        </p></div><div n="91" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> For the Lacedaemonians were not satisfied with wronging these cities and men of this
          character, but treated in the same way those who had set out with them from the same
          country, joined with them in the same expedition, and shared with them the same
            perils<note anchored="true" resp="ed">In the Trojan War.</note>—I mean the Argives and
          the Messenians. For they determined to plunge these also into the very same misfortunes
          which had been visited upon their former victims.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The
            distinction—not altogether clear—is between the older and the later inhabitants.</note>
          They did not cease laying siege to the Messenians until they had driven them from their
          territory, and with the same object they are even now making war upon the Argives.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">For the conquest of <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> see <bibl n="Isoc. 6.26">Isoc. 6.26 ff.</bibl> The Spartans and
            Argives were almost always at war. See <bibl n="Isoc. 5.51">Isoc. 5.51</bibl>.</note>
        </p></div><div n="92" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Furthermore, it would be strange if, having spoken of these wrongs, I failed to mention
          their treatment of the Plataeans. It was on the soil of <placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName> that the Lacedaemonians had encamped with us and with the other
          allies, drawn up for battle against our enemies;<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The battle
            of <placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName> was the final, decisive battle
            of the Persian Wars.</note> there they had offered sacrifices to the deities worshipped
          by the Plataeans;<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Thuc. 2.71-72">Thuc.
              2.71-72</bibl>.</note>
        </p></div><div n="93" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>and there we had won freedom, not only for the Hellenes who fought with us, but also for
          those who were compelled to be on the side of the Persians,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The Greek cities on the Asiatic seaboard, which had been subject to <placeName key="tgn,7000231">Persia</placeName>.</note> and we accomplished this with the help of
          the Plataeans, who alone of the Boeotians fought with us in that war.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">The Thebans had “Medized.” The Plataeans in this battle acquitted themselves
            well; according to Plutarch (<bibl n="Plut. Arist. 20">Plut. Arist. 20</bibl>), they
            were awarded the meed of valor. Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 14.57">Isoc. 14.57 ff.</bibl></note>
          And yet, after no great interval of time, the Lacedaemonians, to gratify <placeName key="perseus,Thebes">Thebes</placeName>,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 14.62">Isoc. 14.62</bibl>.</note> reduced the Plataeans by siege and put them
          all to the sword with the exception of those who had been able to escape through their
            lines.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">This was done by King Archidamus, who in the
            course of the Peloponnesian War besieged and took <placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName>, 427 b.c. The walls of the town were razed, the women and
            children sold into slavery, the defenders slain, excepting some two hundred who escaped
            and found refuge in <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>. See <bibl n="Thuc. 3.57">Thuc. 3.57 ff.</bibl></note> Little did Athens resemble <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName> in the treatment of these peoples; </p></div><div n="94" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>for, while the Lacedaemonians did not scruple to commit such wrongs both against the
          benefactors of <placeName key="tgn,1000074">Hellas</placeName> and against their own
            kinsmen,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Fellow-Dorians.</note> our ancestors, on the
          other hand, gave the surviving Messenians a home in <placeName key="tgn,7011174">Naupactus</placeName><note anchored="true" resp="ed">On the Corinthian gulf. For this
            event see <bibl n="Thuc. 1.103">Thuc. 1.103</bibl></note> and adopted the Plataeans who
          had escaped with their lives as Athenian citizens and shared with them all the privileges
          which they themselves enjoyed.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4">Isoc.
              4</bibl>, note.</note> So that if we had nothing else to say about these two cities,
          it is easy to judge from these instances what was the character of each and which of the
          two laid waste more and greater cities. </p></div><div n="95" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I perceive that my feelings are changing to the opposite of those which I described a
          little while ago. For then I fell into a state of doubt and perplexity and forgetfulness,
          but now I realize clearly that I am not keeping the mildness of speech which I had when I
          began to write my discourse; on the contrary, I am venturing to discuss matters about
          which I did not think that I should speak, I am more aggressive in temper than is my wont,
          and I am losing control over some of the things which I utter because of the multitude of
          things which rush into my mind to say. </p></div><div n="96" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Since, however, the impulse has come to me to speak frankly and I have removed the curb
          from my tongue, and since I took a subject which is of such a character that it is neither
          honorable nor possible to leave out the kind of facts from which it can be proved that our
          city has been of greater service to the Hellenes than <placeName key="tgn,7011065">Lacedaemon</placeName>, I must not be silent either about the other wrongs which have
          not yet been told, albeit they have been done among the Hellenes, but must show that our
          ancestors have been slow pupils<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 12.101">Isoc. 12.101</bibl>.</note> in wrong-doing, whereas the Lacedaemonians have in some
          respects been the first to point the way and in others have been the sole offenders. </p></div><div n="97" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Now most people upbraid both cities because, while pretending that they risked the
          perils of war against the barbarians for the sake of the Hellenes, they did not in fact
          allow the various states to be independent and manage their own affairs in whatever way
          was expedient for each of them, but, on the contrary, divided them up, as if they had
          taken them captive in war, and reduced them all to slavery, acting no differently than
          those who rob others of their slaves, on the pretext of liberating them, only to compel
          them to slave for their new masters. </p></div><div n="98" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But it is not the fault of the Athenians that these complaints are made and many others
          more bitter than these, but rather of those who now in what is being said, as in times
          past in all that has been done, have been in the opposite camp from us. For no man can
          show that our ancestors during the countless years of our early history ever attempted to
          impose our rule over any city great or small, whereas all men know that the
          Lacedaemonians, from the time when they entered the <placeName key="tgn,7017076">Peloponnesus</placeName>, have had no other object in their deeds or in their designs
          than to impose their rule if possible over all men but, failing that, over the peoples of
          the <placeName key="tgn,7017076">Peloponnesus</placeName>. </p></div><div n="99" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> And as to the stirring up of faction and slaughter and revolution in these cities, which
          certain critics impute both to Athens and to <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName>, you will find that the Lacedaemonians have filled all the states,
          excepting a very few, with these misfortunes and afflictions,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.114">Isoc. 4.114</bibl>.</note> whereas no one would dare
          even to allege that our city, before the disaster which befell her in the <placeName key="tgn,7002638">Hellespont</placeName>,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">At <placeName key="tgn,6000070">Aegospotami</placeName>, 405 b.c. See <bibl n="Isoc. 4.119">Isoc.
              4.119</bibl>.</note> ever perpetrated such a thing among her allies. </p></div><div n="100" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But when the Lacedaemonians, after having been in the position of dictators over the
          Hellenes, were being driven from control of affairs—at that juncture, when the other
          cities were rent by faction, two or three of our generals (I will not hide the truth from
          you) mistreated some of them, thinking that if they should imitate the deeds of Spartans
          they would be better able to control them.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See, however,
            Isocrates' bitter attack upon the Athenian militaristic policy in <title>On the
              Peace</title>, especially <bibl n="Isoc. 8.44">Isoc. 8.44</bibl>. Among the Athenian
            generals, he is here thinking mainly of Chares (the enemy and opposite of his friend and
            pupil, Timotheus. See <bibl n="Isoc. 15.129">Isoc. 15.129</bibl> and note), who seems to
            have uniformly preferred force to persuasion or conciliation in the treatment of the
            Athenian allies. See Introduction to <bibl n="Isoc. 8">Isoc. 8</bibl>.</note>
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