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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg016.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="21" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>The perils which befell them on the march, and the other incidents<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Such as are told in <bibl n="Apollod. 2.8.3">Apollod. 2.8.3</bibl>.</note>
          which have no bearing on the present theme, I need not take the time to describe. Let it
          suffice that, having conquered in war those who dwelt in the regions which I have
          mentioned, they divided their kingdom into three parts.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Procles and Eurysthenes, twin sons of Aristodemus, along with Temenos and Cresphontes,
            sons of Aristomachus, drew lots for <placeName key="perseus,Argos">Argos</placeName>,
              <placeName key="tgn,7011065">Lacedaemon</placeName>, and <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>.</note> Now you men of <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName> have until this day remained faithful to the
          oaths and to the covenants which you made with my forefathers; </p></div><div n="22" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>therefore in time past you have fared better than the rest of the world, and in time to
          come you may reasonably hope, if you continue as you have been, to fare better than at
          present. But the Messenians went so far in their wickedness that they plotted against and
          slew Cresphontes, albeit he was the founder of their state, the sovereign of their land, a
          descendant of Heracles, and once the leader of their armies. </p></div><div n="23" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>His sons, however, escaped the perils which confronted them and threw themselves upon the
          mercy of <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName>, beseeching us to come to the
          aid of their dead father<note anchored="true" resp="ed">According to the usual account, it
            was Aepytus, a son of Cresphontes, who avenged the death of his father. <bibl n="Apollod. 2.8.5">Apollod. 2.8.5</bibl>.</note> and offering us their land. And you,
          after inquiring of Apollo, and being directed by him to accept this gift and avenge the
          wronged, thereupon beleaguered the Messenians, forced them to surrender, and thus gained
          possession of their territory. </p></div><div n="24" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I have not, it is true, recounted in detail our original titles to this land (for the
          present occasion does not permit me to go into legendary history, and I have had to set
          them forth with too great brevity for clearness); yet I am sure that even this brief
          statement makes it evident to all that there is no difference whatever between the way in
          which we acquired the land which is acknowledged to be ours and the land to which our
          claim is disputed. For we inhabit <placeName key="tgn,7011065">Lacedaemon</placeName>
          because the sons of Heracles gave it to us, because Apollo directed us to do so, and
          because we fought and conquered those who held it; and <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> we received from the same people, in the same way, and by taking
          the advice of the same oracle. </p></div><div n="25" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>To be sure, if we are in a mood not to defend our title to anything, not even if they
          demand that we abandon <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName> itself, it is
          idle to be concerned about <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>; but if
          not one of you would consent to live if torn from the fatherland, then you ought to be of
          the same mind about that country; for in both cases we can advance the same justifications
          and the same reasons for our claim. </p></div><div n="26" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Then again you are doubtless well aware that possessions, whether private or public,
          when they have remained for a long time in the hands of their owner, are by all men
          acknowledged to be hereditary and incontestable. Now we took <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> before the Persians acquired their
            kingdom<note anchored="true" resp="ed">In <date when="-0559">559 B.C.</date>, when Cyrus
            became ruler of <placeName key="tgn,7000231">Persia</placeName>.</note> and became
          masters of the continent, in fact before a number of the Hellenic cities were even
          founded. </p></div><div n="27" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>And yet notwithstanding that we hold these titles, the Thebans would on the one hand
          restore Asia as his ancestral right to the barbarian,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">By
            the peace terms of Pelopidas. See introduction to this oration.</note> who has not yet
          held sway over it for two hundred years, while on the other hand they would rob us of
            <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>, which we have held for more than
          twice that length of time;<note anchored="true" resp="ed"><placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> was not actually subdued until <date from="-0724" to="-0723">724-723 B.C.</date> Perhaps Isocrates is speaking loosely, or perhaps he follows
            another source than Pausanias, who is almost our sole authority for this period.
            However, the conquests of Alcamenes took place about <date when="-0786">786 B.C.</date>,
            and Isocrates perhaps refers to this or a similar event. See <bibl n="Paus. 4.4.3">Paus.
              4.4.3</bibl>. Dinarchus (<bibl n="Din. 1.73">Din. 1.73</bibl>) gives the same figure
            as lsocrates.</note> and although it was only the other day that they razed both
            <placeName key="tgn,5004258">Thespiae</placeName> and <placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName> to the ground,<note anchored="true" resp="ed"><placeName key="perseus,Plataea">Plataea</placeName> was destroyed about <date when="-0372">372
              B.C.</date>, and <placeName key="tgn,5004258">Thespiae</placeName> shortly after. See
              <bibl n="Diod. 15.46.4">Dio. Sic. 15.46.4</bibl> and <bibl n="Xen. Hell. 6.3.1">Xen.
              Hell. 6.3.1</bibl>. Others give the date as <date when="-0374">374 B.C.</date></note>
          yet now, after a lapse of four hundred years, they propose to settle their colonists in
            <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> acting in both cases contrary to
          the oaths and covenants.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. the Peace of Antalcidas. See
              <bibl n="Isoc. 4.115">Isoc. 4.115 ff.</bibl> and note.</note>
        </p></div><div n="28" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Were they restoring those who are truly Messenians, they would still be acting unjustly,
          but at least they would have a more plausible pretext for wronging us; but as the case
          stands, it is the Helots whom they are trying to settle on our frontier,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">See introduction.</note> so that the worst fate which
          threatens us is not that we shall be robbed of our land contrary to justice, but that we
          shall see our slaves made masters of it. </p></div><div n="29" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> You will perceive still more clearly from what follows both that we are now dealt with
          most unfairly and that in the past we held <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> justly. For in the many wars which have befallen us we have before
          this at times been forced to make peace when we were in much worse case than our
            foes.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">such were the Peace of Nicias (<date when="-0421">421 B.C.</date>, Thucyd. v. 18), the Peace of Antalcidas, and the separate peace
            between <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> and <placeName key="perseus,Sparta">Sparta</placeName> (<bibl n="Xen. Hell. 6.2.1">Xen. Hell.
              6.2.1</bibl>).</note> But, although our treaties were concluded under circumstances in
          which it was impossible for us to seek any advantage, </p></div><div n="30" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>yet, while there were other matters about which differences arose, neither the Great King
          nor the city of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> ever charged us with
          having acquired <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> unjustly. And yet how
          could we find a more thoroughgoing judgement on the justice of our case than this, which
          was rendered by our enemies and made at a time when we were beset with misfortunes? </p></div><div n="31" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> That oracle, moreover, which all would acknowledge to be the most ancient and the most
          widely accepted and the most trustworthy in existence, recognized <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName> as ours, not only at the time when it
          commanded us to receive the country as a gift from the sons of Cresphontes and to go to
          the aid of the wronged, but also later, when the war dragged on and both sides sent
          delegations to <placeName key="perseus,Delphi">Delphi</placeName>, the Messenians
          appealing for deliverance and we inquiring how we could most speedily make ourselves
          masters of their city, the god gave them no answer, thus showing that their appeal was
          unjust, while to us he revealed both what sacrifices we should perform and to whom we
          should send for aid.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">in the second Messenian War,
              <date from="-0685" to="-0668">685-668 B.C.</date>, the Athenians are said to
            have sent Tyrtaeus, the lame school-master, to the aid of the Spartans. See Pausanias
            iv. 15.</note>
        </p></div><div n="32" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> And yet how could anyone furnish testimony more significant or clearer than this? For it
          has been shown, first of all (since nothing prevents our restating these points briefly),
          that we received the country from its rightful owners; secondly, that we took it by war,
          precisely as most of the cities in those days were founded; further, that we drove out
          those who had grievously sinned against the children of Heracles—men who by right should
          have been banished from the sight of all mankind; and, finally, it has been shown that the
          length of our tenure, the judgement of our enemies, and the oracles of Apollo all confirm
          our right to the possession of <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>. </p></div><div n="33" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Anyone of these facts is enough to refute the assertions of those who presume to allege
          against us either that we now refuse to conclude peace because of a desire for
          aggrandizement, or that we then made war on the Messenians because we coveted what was not
          our own. I might perhaps say more than this about our acquisition of <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>, but I consider what I have already said to be
          sufficient </p></div><div n="34" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Those who advise us to make peace declare that prudent men ought not to take the same
          view of things in fortunate as in unfortunate circumstances, but rather that they should
          always consult their immediate situation and accommodate themselves to their fortunes, and
          should never entertain ambitions beyond their power, but should at such times seek, not
          their just rights but their best interests. </p></div><div n="35" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> In all else I agree with them, but no man could ever persuade me that one should ever
          deem anything to be of greater consequence than justice;<note anchored="true" resp="ed">For this Isocratean idealism cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 8.31">Isoc. 8.31-35</bibl>.</note> for
          I see that our laws have been made to secure it, that men of character and reputation
          pride themselves upon practicing it, and that it constitutes the chief concern of all
          well-regulated states; </p></div><div n="36" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>further, I observe that the wars of the past have in the end been decided, not in
          accordance with the strongest forces, but in accordance with justice; and that, in
          general, the life of man is destroyed by vice and preserved by virtue. Therefore those
          should not lack courage who are about to take up arms in a just cause, but far more those
          who are insolent and do not know how to bear their good fortune with moderation.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 1.42">Isoc. 1.42</bibl> and <bibl n="Isoc. 12.31">Isoc. 12.31-32</bibl>.</note>
        </p></div><div n="37" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Then, too, there is this point to consider: At present we are all agreed as to what is
          just, while we differ as to what is expedient. But now that two good things are set before
          us, the one evident, the other doubtful, how ridiculous you would make yourselves if you
          should reject that course which is acknowledged to be good and decide to take that which
          is debatable, especially when your choice is a matter of such importance! </p></div><div n="38" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For according to my proposal you would not relinquish a single one of your possessions
          nor fasten any disgrace upon the state; nay, on the contrary, you would have good hope
          that taking up arms in a just cause you would fight better than your foes. According to
          their proposal, on the other hand, you would withdraw at once from <placeName key="perseus,Messene">Messene</placeName>, and, having first committed this wrong
          against yourselves, you would perhaps fail to secure both what is expedient and what is
          just—and everything else which you expect to gain. </p></div><div n="39" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For as yet it is by no means evident that if we do as we are bidden we shall henceforth
          enjoy lasting peace. For I think you are not unaware that all men are wont to discuss just
          terms with those who defend their rights, while in the case of those who are over-ready to
          do what they are commanded they keep adding more and more to the conditions which at first
          they intended to impose; and thus it happens that men of a warlike temper obtain a more
          satisfactory peace than those who too readily come to terms. </p></div><div n="40" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> But lest I should seem to dwell too long on this point, I shall abandon all such
          considerations and turn at once to the simplest of my proofs. If no people, after meeting
          with misfortune, ever recovered themselves or mastered their enemies, then we cannot
          reasonably hope to win victory in battle; but if on many occasions it has happened that
          the stronger power has been vanquished by the weaker, and that the besiegers have been
          destroyed by those confined within the walls, what wonder if our own circumstances
          likewise should undergo a change? </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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