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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="3" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="8" type="textpart" subtype="section"><div n="41" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Sometimes again we urge good men to adopt a somewhat unseemly course,
                            while we advise men of poor character to take a course in which the
                            object is the advantage of those who seek our advice. I realise the
                            thought that will immediately occur to my reader: <quote>Do you then
                                teach that this should be done or think it right?</quote> Cicero
                                <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> The letter is lost. the
                                argument of the quotation is as follows. The policy <hi rend="italic">which</hi> I advise is honorable, but it would be
                                wrong for me to urge Caesar to follow it, since it is contrary to
                                his interests. </note> might clear me from blame in the matter; for
                            he writes to Brutus in the following terms, after setting forth a number
                            of things that <pb n="v1-3 p.501"/> might honourably be urged on Caesar:
                                <quote> Should I be a good man to advise this? No. For the end of
                                him who gives advice is the advantage of the man to whom he gives
                                it. But, you say, your advice is right. Certainly, but there is not
                                always room for what is right in giving advice. </quote> However,
                            this is a somewhat abstruse question, and does not concern deliberative
                            oratory alone. I shall therefore reserve it for my twelfth and
                            concluding book. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">Chap.
                                xii.</note>
                     </p></div><div n="43" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For my part I would not have anything done dishonourably. But for the
                            meantime let us regard these questions as at least belonging to the
                            rhetorical exercises of the schools: for knowledge of evil is necessary
                            to enable us the better to defend what is right. </p></div><div n="44" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For the present I will only say that if anyone is going to urge a
                            dishonourable course on honourable man, he should remember not to urge
                            it as being dishonourable, and should avoid the practice of certain
                            declaimers who urge Sextus Pompeius to piracy just because it is
                            dishonourable and cruel. Even when we address bad men, we should gloss
                            over what is unsightly. For there is no man so evil as to wish to seem
                            so. </p></div><div n="45" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Thus Sallust makes Catiline <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Cat.</hi> xx. </note> speak as one who is
                            driven to crime not by wickedness but by indignation, and Varius makes
                            Atreus say: <quote rend="blockquote"><l part="N">My wrongs are past all
                                    speech,</l><l part="N">And such shall be the deeds they force me
                                    to.</l></quote> How much more has this pretence of honour to be
                            kept up by those who have a real regard for their own good name! </p></div><div n="46" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Therefore when we advise Cicero to beg Antonius for mercy or even to
                            burn the <hi rend="italic">Philippics</hi> if Antonius promises to spare
                            him on that condition, <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> For
                                examples of this theme see the elder Seneca ( <hi rend="italic">Suas.</hi> vi. and vii.). </note> we shall not empliasise the
                            love of life in our advice (for if that passion has any force with <pb n="v1-3 p.503"/> him, it will have it none the less if we are
                            silent), but we shall exhort him to save himself in the interest of the
                            state. </p></div><div n="47" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For he needs some such reason as that to preserve him from feeling shame
                            at entreating such a one as Antony. Again if we urge Gaius Caesar <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">Julius Caesar.</note> to accept
                            the crown we shall assert that the state is doomed to destruction unless
                            controlled by a monarchy. For the sole aim of the man who is
                            deliberating about committing a criminal act is to make his act appear
                            as little wicked as possible. </p></div><div n="48" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> It also makes a great deal of difference who it is that is offering the
                            advice: for if his past has been illustrious, or if his distinguished
                            birth or age or fortune excite high expectations, care must be taken
                            that his words are not unworthy of him. If on the other hand he has none
                            of these advantages he will have to adopt a humbler tone. For what is
                            regarded as liberty in some is called licence in others. Some receive
                            sufficient support from their personal authority, while others find that
                            the force of reason itself is scarce sufficient to enable them to
                            maintain their position. </p></div><div n="49" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Consequently I regard <hi rend="italic">impersonation</hi> as the most
                            difficult of tasks, imposed as it is in addition to the other work
                            involved by a deliberative theme. For the same speaker has on one
                            occasion to impersonate Caesar, on another Cicero or Cato. But it is a
                            most useful exercise because it demands a double effort and is also of
                            the greatest use to future poets and historians, while for orators of
                            course it is absolutely necessary. </p></div><div n="50" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For there are many speeches composed by Greek and Latin orators for
                            others to deliver, the words of which had to be adapted to suit the
                            position and character of those for whom they were <pb n="v1-3 p.505"/>
                            written. Do you suppose that Cicero thought in the same way or assumed
                            the same character when he wrote for Gnaeus Pompeius and when he wrote
                            for Titus Ampius and the rest? <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> Nothing is <hi rend="italic">known</hi> of these speeches. </note>
                            Did he not rather bear in mind the fortune, rank and achievements of
                            each single individual and represent the character of all to whom he
                            gave a voice so that though they spoke better than they could by nature,
                            they still might seem to speak in their own persons? </p></div><div n="51" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For a speech which is out of keeping with the man who delivers it is
                            just as faulty as the speech which fails to suit the subject to which it
                            should conform. It is for this reason that Lysias is regarded as having
                            shown the highest art in the speeches which he wrote for uneducated
                            persons, on account of their extraordinary realism. In the case of
                            declaimers indeed it is of the first importance that they should
                            consider what best suits each character: for they rarely play the role
                            of advocates in their declamations. As a rule they impersonate sons,
                            parents, rich men, old men, gentle or harsh of temper, misers,
                            superstitious persons, cowards and mockers, so that hardly even comic
                            actors have to assume more numerous roles in their performances on the
                            stage than these in their declamations. </p></div><div n="52" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> All these rôles may be regarded as forming part of <hi rend="italic">impersonation,</hi> which I have included under <hi rend="italic">delibertive</hi> themes, from which it differs merely in that it
                            involves the assumption of a role. It is sometimes introduced even with
                            controversial themes, which are drawn from history and involve the
                            appearance of definite historical characters as pleaders. </p></div><div n="53" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> I am aware also that historical and poetical themes are often set for
                            the sake of practice, such as Priam's speech to <pb n="v1-3 p.507"/>
                            Achilles or Sulla's address to the people on his resignation of the
                            dictatorship. But these will fall under one or other of the three
                            classes into which I have divided causes. For entreaty, statement, and
                            argument, with other themes already mentioned, are all of frequent
                            occurrence in <hi rend="italic">forensic, deliberative</hi> or <hi rend="italic">demonstrative</hi> subjects, according as
                            circumstances demand, </p></div><div n="54" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> and we often introduce fictitious speeches of historical persons, whom
                            we select ourselves. Cicero for instance in the <hi rend="italic">pro
                                Caelio</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> xiv. <hi rend="italic">sqq</hi>
                        </note> makes both Appius Caecus and her
                            brother Clodius address Clodia, the former rebuking her for her
                            immorality, the latter exhorting her thereto. </p></div><div n="55" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> In scholastic declamations the fictitious themes for deliberative
                            speeches are often not unlike those of controversial speeches and are a
                            compromise between the two forms, as for instance when the theme set is
                            a discussion in the presence of Gaius Caesar of the punishment to be
                            meted out to Theodotus; for it consists of accusation and defence, both
                            of them peculiar to forensic oratory. </p></div><div n="56" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But the topic of expediency also enters into the case, in such questions
                            as whether it was to Caesar's advantage that Pompeius should be slain;
                            whether the execution of Theodotus would involve the risk of a war with
                            the king of Egypt; whether such a war would be highly inopportune at
                            such a critical moment, would prove dangerous and be certain to last a
                            long time. </p></div><div n="57" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> There is also a question of honour. Does it befit Caesar to avenge
                            Pompeius' death? or is it to be feared that an admission that Pompeius
                            did not deserve death will injure the cause of the Caesarian party? </p></div><div n="58" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> It may be noted that discussions of such a kind may well occur in actual
                            cases. <pb n="v1-3 p.509"/> Declaimers have however often been guilty of
                            an error as regards deliberative themes which has involved a series of
                            consequences. They have considered deliberative themes to be different
                            and absolutely opposed to forensic themes. For they have always affected
                            abrupt openings, an impetuous style and a generous embellishment, as
                            they call it, in their language, and have been especially careful to
                            make shorter notes for <hi rend="italic">deliberative</hi> than for <hi rend="italic">forensic</hi> themes. </p></div><div n="59" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For my part while I realise that <hi rend="italic">deliberative</hi>
                            themes do not require an <hi rend="italic">exordium,</hi> for reasons
                            which I have already stated, I do not, however, understand why they
                            should open in such a wild and exclamatory manner. When a man is asked
                            to express his opinion on any subject, he does not, if he is sane, begin
                            to shriek, but endeavours as far as possible to win the assent of the
                            man who is considering the question by a courteous and natural opening.
                        </p></div><div n="60" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Why, I ask, in review of the fact that deliberations require moderation
                            above all else, should the speaker on such themes indulge in a
                            torrential style of eloquence kept at one high level of violence? I
                            acknowledge that in controversial speeches the tone is often lowered in
                            the <hi rend="italic">exordium, the</hi>
                        <hi rend="italic">statement of
                                facts</hi> and the <hi rend="italic">argument,</hi> and that if you
                            subtract these three portions, the remainder is more or less of the <hi rend="italic">deliberative</hi> type of speech, but what remains
                            must likewise be of a more even flow, avoiding all violence and fury.
                        </p></div><div n="61" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> With regard to manificence of language, deliblerative declaimers should
                            avoid straining after it more than others, but it comes to them more
                            naturally. For there is a preference among those who invent such themes
                            for selecting great personages, such as kings, princes, senators and
                            peoples, while the theme itself <pb n="v1-3 p.511"/> is generally on a
                            grander scale. Consequently since the words are suited to the theme,
                            they acquire additional splendour from the magnificence of the matter.
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