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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="3" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="11" type="textpart" subtype="section"><div n="1" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p>XI. As soon as these points are ascertained,
                            the next step, according to Hermagoras, should be to consider what is
                            the <hi rend="italic">question at issue,</hi> the <hi rend="italic">line
                                of defence,</hi> the <hi rend="italic">point for the judge's
                                decision</hi> and the <hi rend="italic">central point,</hi> or, as
                            others call it, <hi rend="italic">the foundation</hi> of the case. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> This highly technical chapter
                                will be largely unintelligible to those who have not read chapter
                                vi. Those who have no stomach for such points would do well to skip
                                §§ 1–20; they will however find consolation in § 21 <hi rend="italic">sqq.,</hi> where Quintilian says what he really
                                thinks of such technicalities. </note> The <hi rend="italic">question</hi> in its more general sense is taken to mean everything
                            on which two or more plausible opinions may be advanced. </p></div><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> In <hi rend="italic">forensic</hi> subjects however it must be taken in
                            two senses: first in the sense in which we say that a controversial
                            matter involves many questions, thereby including all minor questions;
                            secondly in the sense of the main question on which the case turns. It
                            is of this, with which the <hi rend="italic">basis</hi> originates, that
                            I am now speaking. We ask whether a thing has been done, what it is that
                            has been done, and whether it was rightly done. </p></div><div n="3" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> To these Hermagoras and Apollodorus and many other writers have given
                            the special name of <hi rend="italic">questions;</hi> Theodorus on the
                            other hand, as I have already said, calls them <hi rend="italic">general
                                heads,</hi> while he designates minor questions or questions
                            dependent on these <hi rend="italic">general heads</hi> as <hi rend="italic">special heads.</hi> For it is agreed that question may
                            spring from question, and species be subdivided into other species. </p></div><div n="4" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> This main question, then, they call the <foreign xml:lang="grc">ζήτημα.</foreign> The <hi rend="italic">line of defence</hi> is the
                            method by which an admitted act is defended. I see no reason why I
                            should not use the same example to illustrate this point that has been
                            used by practically all my predecessors. Orestes has killed his mother:
                            the fact is admitted. He pleads that he was justified in so doing: the
                                <hi rend="italic">basis</hi> will be one of quality, the <hi rend="italic">question,</hi> whether he was justified in his action,
                            the <hi rend="italic">line of defence</hi> that Clytemnestra killed her
                            husband, Orestes' father. This is called the <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἴτιον</foreign> or <hi rend="italic">motive.</hi>
                        <pb n="v1-3 p.525"/> The point for the decision of the judge is known as
                            the <foreign xml:lang="grc">κρινόμενον</foreign> and in this case is
                            whether it was right that even a guilty mother should be killed by her
                            son. </p></div><div n="5" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some have drawn a distinction between <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἴτιον</foreign> and <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἰτίαν</foreign>
                            making <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἴτιον</foreign> mean the cause of the
                            trial, namely the murder of Clytemnestra, <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἰτία</foreign> the motive urged in defence, namely the murder of
                            Agamemnon. But there is such lack of agreement over these two words,
                            that some make <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἰτία</foreign> the cause of the
                            trial and <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἴτιον</foreign> the motive of the
                            deed, while others reverse the meanings. If we turn to Latin writers we
                            find that some have given these causes the names of <hi rend="italic">initinum,</hi> the beginning, and <hi rend="italic">ratio,</hi> the
                            reason, while others give the same name to both. </p></div><div n="6" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Moreover <hi rend="italic">cause</hi> seems to spring from <hi rend="italic">cause,</hi> or as the Greeks say <foreign xml:lang="grc">αἴτιον ἐξ αἰτίον</foreign> as will be seen from the
                            following:— Clytemnestra killed Agamemnon, because he had sacrificed
                            their daughter and brought home a captive woman as his paramour. The
                            same authors think that there may be several <hi rend="italic">lines of
                                defence</hi> to one <hi rend="italic">question:</hi> for instance
                            Orestes may urge that he killed his mother because driven to do so by
                            oracles. But the number of <hi rend="italic">points for the decision of
                                the judge</hi> will be the same as the number of alleged <hi rend="italic">motives</hi> for the deed: in this case it will be
                            whether he ought to have obeyed the oracles. </p></div><div n="7" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But one alleged <hi rend="italic">motive</hi> may also in my opinion
                            involve several questions and several points for the decision of the
                            judge, as for instance in the case when the husband caught his wife in
                            adultery and slew her and later slew the adulterer, who had escaped, in
                            the market place. The <hi rend="italic">motive</hi> is but one:
                                <quote>he was an adulterer.</quote> But there arise as <hi rend="italic">questions</hi> and <hi rend="italic">points for
                                decision by the judge,</hi> whether <pb n="v1-3 p.527"/> it was
                            lawful to kill him at that time and at that place. </p></div><div n="8" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But just as, although there be several <hi rend="italic">questions,</hi>
                            each with its special <hi rend="italic">basis,</hi> the <hi rend="italic">basis</hi> of the case is but one, namely that to
                            which all else is referred, even so the real <hi rend="italic">point for
                                the decision of the judge</hi> is, strictly speaking, that on which
                            judgment is given. </p></div><div n="9" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> As for the <foreign xml:lang="grc">σύνεχον</foreign> the <hi rend="italic">central argument,</hi> as I have mentioned it is
                            called by some, or the <hi rend="italic">foundation</hi> as it is called
                            by others, or as Cicero <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">De Inv.</hi> I. xiv. 19. </note> styles it <hi rend="italic"> the strongest argument of the defender and the most
                                relevant to the decision of the judge, </hi> some regard it as being
                            the point after which all enquiry ceases, others as the main point for
                            adjudication. </p></div><div n="10" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> The <hi rend="italic">motive</hi> of the deed does not arise in all
                            controversial cases. For how can there be a <hi rend="italic">motive</hi> for the deed, when the deed is denied? But when the <hi rend="italic">motive</hi> for the deed does come up for discussion,
                            they deny that the <hi rend="italic">point for the decision of the
                                judge</hi> rests on the same ground as <hi rend="italic">the main
                                question at issue,</hi> and this view is maintained by Cicero <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">De Inv. I. c.:
                                    Part. Or.</hi> xxx. 104. </note> in his Rhetorica and <hi rend="italic">Partitiones.</hi>
                     </p></div><div n="11" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For when it has been asserted and denied that a deed was done, the
                            question whether it was done is resolved by <hi rend="italic">conjecture,</hi> and the <hi rend="italic">decision of the
                                judge</hi> and the <hi rend="italic">main question</hi> rest on the
                            same ground, since the first question and the final decision are
                            concerned with the same point. But when it is stated and denied that
                            Orestes was justified in killing his mother, considerations of <hi rend="italic">quality</hi> are introduced: the <hi rend="italic">question</hi> is whether he was justified in killing her, but this
                            is not yet the point for the <hi rend="italic">decision of the
                                judge.</hi> When, then, does it become so? <quote>She killed my
                                father.</quote>
                        <quote>Yes, but that did not make it your duty to
                                murder your mother.</quote> The <hi rend="italic">point for the
                                decision of the judge</hi> is whether it was his duty to kill her.
                        </p></div><div n="12" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> As regards the <hi rend="italic">foundation,</hi> I will put <pb n="v1-3 p.529"/> it in the words of Cicero <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">de Inv. l. c.</hi></note>
                            himself:— <quote> The foundation is the strongest argument for the
                                defence, as for instance, if Orestes were ready to say that the
                                disposition of his mother towards his father, himself and his
                                sisters, the kingdom, the reputation of the race and the family were
                                such that it was the peculiar duty of her children to punish her.
                            </quote>
                     </p></div><div n="13" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Others again use illustrations such as the following:— <quote>He who has
                                spent his patrimony, is not allowed to address the
                                people.</quote>
                        <quote>But he spent it on public works.</quote> The
                                <hi rend="italic">question</hi> is whether everyone that spends his
                            patrimony is to be prohibited, while the <hi rend="italic">point for
                                decision is</hi> whether he who spent it in such a way is to be
                            prohibited. </p></div><div n="14" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Or again take the case of the soldier Arruntius, who killed the tribune
                            Lusius for assaulting his honour. The <hi rend="italic">question</hi> is
                            whether he was justified in so doing, <hi rend="italic">the line of
                                defence,</hi> that the murdered man made an assault upon his honour,
                                <hi rend="italic">the point for the decision of the judge,</hi>
                            whether it was right that a man should be killed uncondemned or a
                            tribune by a soldier. </p></div><div n="15" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some even regard the <hi rend="italic">basis</hi> of the <hi rend="italic">question</hi> as being different from the <hi rend="italic">basis</hi> of the <hi rend="italic">decision.</hi> The
                                <hi rend="italic">question</hi> as to whether Milo was justified in
                            killing Clodius, is one of <hi rend="italic">quality.</hi> The <hi rend="italic">point for the decision of the judge,</hi> namely
                            whether Clodius lay in wait for Milo, is a matter for <hi rend="italic">conjecture.</hi>
                     </p></div><div n="16" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> They also urge that a case is often diverted to the consideration of
                            some matter irrelevant to the <hi rend="italic">question,</hi> and that
                            it is on this matter that judgment is given. I strongly disagree. Take
                            the question whether all who have spent their patrimony are to be
                            prohibited from addressing the people. This <hi rend="italic">question</hi> must have its <hi rend="italic">point for
                                decision,</hi> and therefore the <hi rend="italic">question</hi> and
                            the <hi rend="italic">point for decision</hi> are not different, but
                            there are more <pb n="v1-3 p.531"/> than one <hi rend="italic">question</hi> and more than one <hi rend="italic">point for
                                decision</hi> in the case. Again, in the case of Milo, </p></div><div n="17" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> is not the <hi rend="italic">question of fact</hi> ultimately referred
                            to the <hi rend="italic">question of quality</hi> ? For if Clodius lay
                            in wait for Milo, it follows that he was justifiably killed. But when
                            the case is shifted to some other point far removed from the original
                            question, even in this case the <hi rend="italic">question</hi> will be
                            found to reside in the <hi rend="italic">point for decision.</hi>
                     </p></div><div n="18" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> As regards these questions Cicero is slightly inconsistent with himself.
                            For in the Rhetorica, as I have already mentioned, he followed
                            Hermagoras, while in the <hi rend="italic">Topicai</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Top.</hi> xxv.
                                95. </note> he holds that the <foreign xml:lang="grc">κρινόμενον</foreign> or <hi rend="italic">disputed point</hi> is
                            originated by the <hi rend="italic">basis,</hi> and in addressing the
                            lawyer Trebatius on this subject he calls it the <hi rend="italic">point
                                at issue,</hi> and describes the elements in which it resides as <hi rend="italic">central arguments</hi> or <hi rend="italic">
                                foundations of the defence which hold it together and the removal of
                                which causes the whole defence to fall to the ground. </hi>
                     </p></div><div n="19" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> But in the <hi rend="italic">Partitiones Oratoriae</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">xxix. 103.</note> he gives the
                            name of <hi rend="italic">foundation</hi> to that which is advanced
                            against the defence, on the ground that the <hi rend="italic">central
                                argument,</hi> as it logically comes first, is put forward by the
                            accuser, while <hi rend="italic">the line of defence</hi> is put forward
                            by the accused, and the <hi rend="italic">point for the decision of the
                                judge</hi> arises from the question jointly raised by the <hi rend="italic">central argument</hi> and the <hi rend="italic">line
                                of defence.</hi> The view therefore of those who make the <hi rend="italic">basis,</hi> the <hi rend="italic">central
                                argument,</hi> and the <hi rend="italic">point for the decision of
                                the judge</hi> identical, is at once more concise and nearer to the
                            truth. The <hi rend="italic">central argument,</hi> they point out, is
                            that the removal of which makes the whole case fall to the ground. </p></div><div n="20" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> In this <hi rend="italic">central argument</hi> they seem to me to have
                            included both the alleged causes, that <pb n="v1-3 p.533"/> Orestes
                            killed his mother and that Clytemnestra killed Agamemnon. the same
                            authorities have likewise always held that the <hi rend="italic">basis</hi> and the <hi rend="italic">point for the decision</hi> of
                            the judge are in agreement; any other opinion would have been
                            inconsistent with their general views. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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