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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div n="urn:cts:latinLit:phi1002.phi001.perseus-eng2" type="translation" xml:lang="eng"><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="book"><div n="17" type="textpart" subtype="chapter"><div n="1" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> However, if I were to indulge my own inclinations in expatiating on this
                            subject, I should go <pb n="v1-3 p.327"/> on for ever. Let us therefore
                            pass to the next question and consider whether rhetoric is an art. </p></div><div n="2" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> No one of those who have laid down rules for oratory has ever doubted
                            that it is an art. It is clear even from the titles of their books that
                            their theme is the art of rhetoric, while Cicero <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">de Inv.</hi> I. v. 6. The
                                titles in question are such as <hi rend="italic">Ars rhetorica, Ars
                                    Hermagorae,</hi> etc. </note> defines rhetoric as <hi rend="italic">artistic eloquence.</hi> And it is not merely the
                            orators who have claimed this distinction for their studies with a view
                            to giving them an additional title to respect, but the Stoic and
                            Peripatetic philosophers for the most part agree with them. </p></div><div n="3" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Indeed I will confess that I had doubts as to whether I should discuss
                            this portion of my inquiry, for there is no one, I will not say so
                            unlearned, but so devoid of ordinary sense, as to hold that building,
                            weaving or moulding vessels from clay are arts, and at the same time to
                            consider that rhetoric, which, as I have already said, is the noblest
                            and most sublime of tasks, has reached such a lofty eminence without the
                            assistance of art. </p></div><div n="4" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For my own part I think that those who have argued against this view did
                            not realise what they were saying, but merely desired to exercise their
                            wits by the selection of a difficult theme, like Polycrates, when he
                            praised Busiris and Clytemnestra; I may add that he is credited with a
                            not dissimilar performance, namely the composition of a speech which was
                            delivered against Socrates. </p></div><div n="5" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Some would have it that rhetoric is a natural gift though they admit
                            that it can be developed by practice. So Antonius in the <hi rend="italic">de Oralore</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">II. lvii. 232.</note> of Cicero styles it a <hi rend="italic">knack derived from experience,</hi> but denies that it
                            is an art: </p></div><div n="6" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> this statement is however not intended to be accepted by us as the
                            actual truth, but is inserted to make <pb n="v1-3 p.329"/> Antonius
                            speak in character, since he was in the habit of concealing his art.
                            Still Lysias is said to have maintained this same view, which is
                            defended on the ground that uneducated persons, barbarians and slaves,
                            when speaking on their own behalf, say something that resembles an <hi rend="italic">exordiam,</hi> state the facts of the case, prove,
                            refute and plead for mercy just as an orator does in his peroration.
                        </p></div><div n="7" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> To this is added the quibble that nothing that is based on art can have
                            existed before the art in question, whereas men have always from time
                            immemorial spoken in their own defence or in denunciation of others: the
                            teaching of rhetoric as an art was, they say, a later invention dating
                            from about the time of Tisias and Corax: oratory therefore existed
                            before art and consequently cannot be an art. </p></div><div n="8" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> For my part I am not concerned with the date when oratory began to be
                            taught. Even in Homer we find Phoenix <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Il.</hi> ix. 432. </note> as
                            an instructor not only of conduct but of speaking, while a number of
                            orators are mentioned, the various styles are represented by the
                            speeches of three of the chiefs <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">i.e.</hi> the copious style by
                                Nestor, the plain by Menelaus, the intermediate by Ulysses. </note>
                            and the young men are set to contend among themselves in contests of
                            eloquence: <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Il.</hi> xv. 284. </note> moreover lawsuits and pleaders are
                            represented in the engravings on the shield of Achilles. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"><hi rend="italic">Il.</hi>
                                xviii. 497 <hi rend="italic">sqq.</hi>
                        </note>
                     </p></div><div n="9" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> It is sufficient to call attention to the fact that everything which art
                            has brought to perfection originated in nature. Otherwise we might deny
                            the title of art to medicine, which was discovered from the observation
                            of sickness and health, and according to some is entirely based upon
                            experiment: wounds were bound up long before medicine developed into an
                            art, and fevers were reduced by rest and abstention from food, long
                            before the reason for such treatment was <pb n="v1-3 p.331"/> known,
                            simply because the state of the patient's health left no choice. </p></div><div n="10" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> So too building should not be styled an art; for primitive man built
                            himself a hut without the assistance of art. Music by the same reasoning
                            is not an art; for every race indulges in some kind of singing and
                            dancing. If therefore any kind of speech is to be called eloquence, I
                            will admit that it existed before it was an art. </p></div><div n="11" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> If on the other hand not every man that speaks is an orator and
                            primitive man did not speak like an orator, my opponents must needs
                            acknowledge that oratory is the product of art and did not exist before
                            it. This conclusion also rules out their argument that men speak who
                            have never learnt how to speak, and that which a man does untaught can
                            have no connexion with art. </p></div><div n="12" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> In support of this contention they adduce the fact that Demades was a
                            waterman and Aeschines an actor, but both were orators. Their reasoning
                            is false. For no man can be an orator untaught and it would be truer to
                            say that these orators learned oratory late in life than that they never
                            learned at all; although as a matter of fact Aeschines had an
                            acquaintance with literature from childhood since his father was a
                            teacher of literature, while as regards Demades, it is quite uncertain
                            that he never studied rhetoric and in any case continuous practice in
                            speaking was sufficient to bring him to such proficiency as he attained:
                            for experience is the best of all schools. </p></div><div n="13" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> On the other hand it may fairly be asserted that he would have achieved
                            greater distinction, if he had received instruction: for although he
                            delivered his speeches with great effect, he never ventured to write
                            them for others. </p></div><div n="14" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Aristotle, it is true, in his <hi rend="italic">Gryllus</hi>
                        <note anchored="true" place="unspecified"> A lost treatise, named after
                                Gryllus, the son of Xenophon. </note> produces some tentative
                            arguments to <pb n="v1-3 p.333"/> the contrary, which are marked by
                            characteristic ingenuity. On the other hand he also wrote three books on
                            the art of rhetoric, in the first of which he not merely admits that
                            rhetoric is an art, but treats it as a department of politics and also
                            of logic. </p></div><div n="15" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Critolaus and Athenodorus of Rhodes have produced many arguments against
                            this view, while Agnon renders himself suspect by the very title of his
                            book in which he proclaims that he is going to indict rhetoric. As to
                            the statements of Epicurus on this subject, they cause me no surprise,
                            for he is the foe of all systematic training. </p></div><div n="16" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> These gentlemen talk a great deal, but the arguments on which they base
                            their statements are few. I will therefore select the most important of
                            them and will deal with them briefly, to prevent the discussion lasting
                            to all eternity. </p></div><div n="17" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Their first contention is based on the subject-matter; for they assert
                            that all arts have their own subject-matter (which is true) and go on to
                            say that rhetoric has none, which I shall show in what follows to be
                            false. </p></div><div n="18" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> Another slander is to the effect that no art will acquiesce in false
                            opinions: since an art must be based on direct perception, which is
                            always true: now, say they, rhetoric does give its assent to false
                            conclusions and is therefore not an art. </p></div><div n="19" type="textpart" subtype="section"><p> I will admit that rhetoric sometimes substitutes falsehood for truth,
                            but I will not allow that it does so because its opinions are false,
                            since there is all the difference between holding a certain opinion
                            oneself and persuading someone else to adopt an opinion. For instance a
                            general frequently makes use of falsehood: Hannibal when hemmed in by
                            Fabius persuaded his enemy that he was in retreat by <pb n="v1-3 p.335"/> tying brushwood to the horns of oxen, setting fire to them by night
                            and driving the herds across the mountains opposite. <note anchored="true" place="unspecified">See Livy, XXII. xvi.</note> But
                            though he deceived Fabius, he himself was fully aware of the truth. </p></div></div></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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