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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0059.tlg002.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="19"><p>Well, then, I must make a defence, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="19"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="19a"/>and must try in so short a time to remove from you this prejudice which you have been for so long a time acquiring.  Now I wish that this might turn out so, if it is better for you and for me, and that I might succeed with my defence;  but I think it is difficult, and I am not at all deceived about its nature.  But nevertheless, let this be as is pleasing to God, the law must be obeyed and I must make a defence.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Now let us take up from the beginning the question, what the accusation is from which the false prejudice against me has arisen, in which
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="19b"/>Meletus trusted when he brought this suit against me.  What did those who aroused the prejudice say to arouse it?  I must, as it were, read their sworn statement as if they were plaintiffs:  <q type="written">Socrates is a criminal and a busybody, investigating the things beneath the earth and in the heavens and making the weaker argument stronger and
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="19c"/>teaching others these same things.</q>  Something of that sort it is.  For you yourselves saw these things in Aristophanes’ comedy, a Socrates being carried about there, proclaiming that he was treading on air and uttering a vast deal of other nonsense, about which I know nothing, either much or little.  And I say this, not to cast dishonor upon such knowledge, if anyone is wise about such matters (may I never have to defend myself against Meletus on so great a charge as that!),—but I, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>, have nothing to do with these things. 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="19d"/>And I offer as witnesses most of yourselves, and I ask you to inform one another and to tell, all those of you who ever heard me conversing—and there are many such among you—now tell, if anyone ever heard me talking much or little about such matters.  And from this you will perceive that such are also the other things that the multitude say about me.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>But in fact none of these things are true, and if you have heard from anyone that I undertake to teach
                <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="19e"/>people and that I make money by it, that is not true either.  Although this also seems to me to be a fine thing, if one might be able to teach people, as Gorgias of Leontini and Prodicus of <placeName key="tgn,7010867">Ceos</placeName> and Hippias of <placeName key="perseus,Elis">Elis</placeName> are.</p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="20"><p>For each of these men, gentlemen, is able to go into any one of the cities and persuade the young men, who can associate for nothing with whomsoever they wish among their own fellow citizens,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="20"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="20a"/>to give up the association with those men and to associate with them and pay them money and be grateful besides.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And there is also another wise man here, a Parian, who I learned was in town;  for I happened to meet a man who has spent more on sophists than all the rest, Callias, the son of Hipponicus;  so I asked him—for he has two sons—<q type="spoken">Callias,</q> said I, <q type="spoken">if your two sons had happened to be two colts or two calves, we should be able to get and hire for them an overseer who would make them
    <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="20b"/>excellent in the kind of excellence proper to them;  and he would be a horse-trainer or a husbandman;  but now, since they are two human beings, whom have you in mind to get as overseer?  Who has knowledge of that kind of excellence, that of a man and a citizen?  For I think you have looked into the matter, because you have the sons.  Is there anyone,</q> said I, <q type="spoken">or not?</q>  <q type="spoken">Certainly,</q> said he.  <q type="spoken">Who,</q> said I, <q type="spoken">and where from, and what is his price for his teaching?</q>  <q type="spoken">Evenus,</q> he said, <q type="spoken">Socrates, from <placeName key="tgn,7011023">Paros</placeName>, five minae.</q>  And I called Evenus blessed,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="20c"/>if he really had this art and taught so reasonably.  I myself should be vain and put on airs, if I understood these things;  but I do not understand them, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Now perhaps someone might rejoin:  <q type="spoken">But, Socrates, what is the trouble about you?  Whence have these prejudices against you arisen?  For certainly this great report and talk has not arisen while you were doing nothing more out of the way than the rest, unless you were doing something other than most people;  so tell us
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="20d"/>what it is, that we may not act unadvisedly in your case.</q>  The man who says this seems to me to be right, and I will try to show you what it is that has brought about my reputation and aroused the prejudice against me.  So listen.  And perhaps I shall seem to some of you to be joking;  be assured, however, I shall speak perfect truth to you.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>The fact is, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>, that I have acquired this reputation on account of nothing else than a sort of wisdom.  What kind of wisdom is this?  Just that which is perhaps human wisdom.  For perhaps I really am wise in this wisdom;  and these men, perhaps,
            <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="20e"/>of whom I was just speaking, might be wise in some wisdom greater than human, or I don’t know what to say;  for I do not understand it, and whoever says I do, is lying and speaking to arouse prejudice against me.  And, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>, do not interrupt me with noise, even if I seem to you to be boasting;  for the word which I speak is not mine, but the speaker to whom I shall refer it is a person of weight.  For of my wisdom—if it is wisdom at all—and of its nature, I will offer you the god of <placeName key="perseus,Delphi">Delphi</placeName> as a witness.</p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="21"><p>You know Chaerephon, I fancy. 
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="21"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="21a"/>He was my comrade from a youth and the comrade of your democratic party, and shared in the recent exile and came back with you.  And you know the kind of man Chaerephon was, how impetuous in whatever he undertook.  Well, once he went to <placeName key="perseus,Delphi">Delphi</placeName> and made so bold as to ask the oracle this question;  and, gentlemen, don’t make a disturbance at what I say;  for he asked if there were anyone wiser than I.  Now the Pythia replied that there was no one wiser.  And about these things his brother here will bear you witness, since Chaerephon is dead.
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="21b"/> But see why I say these things;  for I am going to tell you whence the prejudice against me has arisen.  For when I heard this, I thought to myself:  <q type="thought">What in the world does the god mean, and what riddle is he propounding?  For I am conscious that I am not wise either much or little.  What then does he mean by declaring that I am the wisest?  He certainly cannot be lying, for that is not possible for him.</q>  And for a long time I was at a loss as to what he meant;  then with great reluctance I proceeded to investigate him somewhat as follows.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>I went to one of those who had a reputation for wisdom,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="21c"/>thinking that there, if anywhere, I should prove the utterance wrong and should show the oracle <q type="spoken">This man is wiser than I, but you said I was wisest.</q>  So examining this man—for I need not call him by name, but it was one of the public men with regard to whom I had this kind of experience, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>—and conversing with him, this man seemed to me to seem to be wise to many other people and especially to himself, but not to be so;  and then I tried to show him that he thought
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="21d"/>he was wise, but was not.  As a result, I became hateful to him and to many of those present;  and so, as I went away, I thought to myself, <q type="thought">I am wiser than this man;  for neither of us really knows anything fine and good, but this man thinks he knows something when he does not, whereas I, as I do not know anything, do not think I do either.  I seem, then, in just this little thing to be wiser than this man at any rate, that what I do not know I do not think I know either.</q>  From him I went to another of those who were reputed
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="21e"/>to be wiser than he, and these same things seemed to me to be true;  and there I became hateful both to him and to many others.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>After this then I went on from one to another, perceiving that I was hated, and grieving and fearing, but nevertheless I thought I must consider the god’s business of the highest importance.  So I had to go, investigating the meaning of the oracle, to all those who were reputed to know anything.</p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="22"><p>And by the Dog, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> 
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="22"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="22a"/>—for I must speak the truth to you—this, I do declare, was my experience:  those who had the most reputation seemed to me to be almost the most deficient, as I investigated at the god’s behest, and others who were of less repute seemed to be superior men in the matter of being sensible.  So I must relate to you my wandering as I performed my Herculean labors, so to speak, in order that the oracle might be proved to be irrefutable.  For after the public men I went to the poets, those of tragedies, and those of dithyrambs,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="22b"/>and the rest, thinking that there I should prove by actual test that I was less learned than they.  So, taking up the poems of theirs that seemed to me to have been most carefully elaborated by them, I asked them what they meant, that I might at the same time learn something from them.  Now I am ashamed to tell you the truth, gentlemen;  but still it must be told.  For there was hardly a man present, one might say, who would not speak better than they about the poems they themselves had composed.  So again in the case of the poets also I presently recognized this,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="22c"/>that what they composed they composed not by wisdom, but by nature and because they were inspired, like the prophets and givers of oracles;  for these also say many fine things, but know none of the things they say;  it was evident to me that the poets too had experienced something of this same sort.  And at the same time I perceived that they, on account of their poetry, thought that they were the wisest of men in other things as well, in which they were not.  So I went away from them also thinking that I was superior to them in the same thing in which I excelled the public men.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Finally then I went to the hand-workers. 
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="22d"/>For I was conscious that I knew practically nothing, but I knew I should find that they knew many fine things.  And in this I was not deceived;  they did know what I did not, and in this way they were wiser than I.  But, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>, the good artisans also seemed to me to have the same failing as the poets;  because of practicing his art well, each one thought he was very wise in the other most important matters, and this folly of theirs obscured that wisdom, so that I asked myself
        <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="22e"/>in behalf of the oracle whether I should prefer to be as I am, neither wise in their wisdom nor foolish in their folly, or to be in both respects as they are.  I replied then to myself and to the oracle that it was better for me to be as I am.</p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="23"><p><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Now from this investigation, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="23"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="23a"/>many enmities have arisen against me, and such as are most harsh and grievous, so that many prejudices have resulted from them and I am called a wise man.  For on each occasion those who are present think I am wise in the matters in which I confute someone else;  but the fact is, gentlemen, it is likely that the god is really wise and by his oracle means this:  <q type="emph">Human wisdom is of little or no value.</q> And it appears that he does not really say this of Socrates, but merely uses my name,
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="23b"/>and makes me an example, as if he were to say:  <q type="spoken">This one of you, O human beings, is wisest, who, like Socrates, recognizes that he is in truth of no account in respect to wisdom.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Therefore I am still even now going about and searching and investigating at the god’s behest anyone, whether citizen or foreigner, who I think is wise;  and when he does not seem so to me, I give aid to the god and show that he is not wise.  And by reason of this occupation I have no leisure to attend to any of the affairs of the state worth mentioning, or of my own, but am in vast poverty
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="23c"/>on account of my service to the god.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And in addition to these things, the young men who have the most leisure, the sons of the richest men, accompany me of their own accord, find pleasure in hearing people being examined, and often imitate me themselves, and then they undertake to examine others;  and then, I fancy, they find a great plenty of people who think they know something, but know little or nothing.  As a result, therefore, those who are examined by them are angry with me, instead of being angry with themselves, and say that <q type="spoken">Socrates is a most abominable person
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="23d"/>and is corrupting the youth.</q><milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>And when anyone asks them <q type="spoken">by doing or teaching what?</q> they have nothing to say, but they do not know, and that they may not seem to be at a loss they say these things that are handy to say against all the philosophers, <q type="spoken">the things in the air and the things beneath the earth</q> and <q type="spoken">not to believe in the gods</q> and <q type="spoken">to make the weaker argument the stronger.</q>  For they would not, I fancy, care to say the truth, that it is being made very clear that they pretend to know, but know nothing. 
                <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="23e"/>Since, then, they are jealous of their honor and energetic and numerous and speak concertedly and persuasively about me, they have filled your ears both long ago and now with vehement slanders.</p></div><div type="textpart" subtype="section" resp="perseus" n="24"><p>From among them Meletus attacked me, and Anytus and Lycon, Meletus angered on account of the poets, and Anytus on account of the artisans and the public men,
<milestone unit="page" resp="Stephanus" n="24"/><milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="24a"/>and Lycon on account of the orators;  so that, as I said in the beginning, I should be surprised if I were able to remove this prejudice from you in so short a time when it has grown so great.  There you have the truth, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>, and I speak without hiding anything from you, great or small or prevaricating.  And yet I know pretty well that I am making myself hated by just that conduct;  which is also a proof that I am speaking the truth and that this is the prejudice against me and these are its causes.  And whether you investigate
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="24b"/>this now or hereafter, you will find that it is so.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Now so far as the accusations are concerned which my first accusers made against me, this is a sufficient defence before you;  but against Meletus, the good and patriotic, as he says, and the later ones, I will try to defend myself next.  So once more, as if these were another set of accusers, let us take up in turn their sworn statement.  It is about as follows:  it states that Socrates is a wrongdoer because he corrupts the youth and does not believe in the gods the state believes in, but in other
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="24c"/>new spiritual beings.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Such is the accusation.  But let us examine each point of this accusation.  He says I am a wrongdoer because I corrupt the youth.  But I, men of <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName>, say Meletus is a wrongdoer, because he jokes in earnest, lightly involving people in a lawsuit, pretending to be zealous and concerned about things or which he never cared at all.  And that this is so I will try to make plain to you also.<milestone ed="P" unit="para"/>Come here, Meletus, tell me:  don’t you consider it
<milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="24d"/>of great importance that the youth be as good as possible?  <q type="spoken">I do.</q>  Come now, tell these gentlemen who makes them better?  For it is evident that you know, since you care about it.  For you have found the one who corrupts them, as you say, and you bring me before these gentlemen and accuse me;  and now, come, tell who makes them better and inform them who he is.  Do you see, Meletus, that you are silent and cannot tell?  And yet does it not seem to you disgraceful and a sufficient proof of what I say, that you have never cared about it?  But tell, my good man, who
                <milestone unit="section" resp="Stephanus" n="24e"/>makes them better?  <q type="spoken">The laws.</q>  But that is not what I ask, most excellent one, but what man, who knows in the first place just this very thing, the laws.  <q type="spoken">These men, Socrates, the judges.</q>  What are you saying, Meletus?  Are these gentlemen able to instruct the youth, and do they make them better?  <q type="spoken">Certainly.</q>  All, or some of them and others not?  <q type="spoken">All.</q>  Well said, by Hera, and this is a great plenty of helpers you speak of.</p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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