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                    <TEI xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0"><text xml:lang="eng"><body><div type="translation" n="urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0010.tlg019.perseus-eng2" xml:lang="eng"><div n="81" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> For these reasons, men who make it their duty to invent discourses of that kind should
          be held in higher esteem than those who propose and write down laws, inasmuch as they are
          rarer, have the more difficult task, and must have superior qualities of mind. Especially
          is this true in our day; </p></div><div n="82" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>for, at the time when the human race was beginning to come into existence and to settle
          together in cities,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Isoc. 4.32">Isoc. 4.32
              ff.</bibl></note> it was natural that their searching should have been for much the
          same thing; but today, on the other hand, when we have advanced to the point where the
          discourses which have been spoken and the laws which have been laid down are innumerable,
          and where we single out the oldest among laws and the newest among discourses for our
          praise, these tasks no longer call for the same understanding; </p></div><div n="83" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>nay, those who have elected to make laws have had at their service a multitude of laws
          already made (for they have no need to search for new laws, but only to put forth the
          effort to collect those which are approved in other states, which anyone who so desires
          can easily do), while those who occupy themselves with oratory, seeing that most subjects
          have been seized upon and used by others before them, are in the opposite case; for if
          they repeat the same things which have been said in the past, they will be regarded as
          shameless babblers, and if they seek for what is new, they will have great difficulty in
          finding it. That is why I stated that, while both are entitled to your praise, they are
          the more entitled to it who are able to execute the harder task. </p></div><div n="84" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I maintain also that if you compare me with those who profess<note anchored="true" resp="ed">These are the “eristics.” See General Introd. pp. xxi, xxv.</note> to turn men
          to a life of temperance and justice, you will find that my teaching is more true and more
          profitable than theirs. For they exhort their followers to a kind of virtue and wisdom
          which is ignored by the rest of the world and is disputed among themselves; I, to a kind
          which is recognized by all. </p></div><div n="85" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>They, again, are satisfied if through the prestige of their names they can draw a number
          of pupils into their society; I, you will find, have never invited any person to follow
          me, but endeavor to persuade the whole state to pursue a policy from which the Athenians
          will become prosperous themselves, and at the same time deliver the rest of the Hellenes
          from their present ills. </p></div><div n="86" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> And yet, when anyone devotes his life to urging all his fellow-countrymen to be nobler
          and juster leaders of the Hellenes, how is it conceivable that such a man should corrupt
          his followers? What man possessed of the power to discover discourses of this character
          would try to search for those that are pernicious and have to do with pernicious things,
          especially a man who has reaped from his works the rewards which I have had? </p></div><div n="87" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For the writing and publication of them has won me distinction in many parts of the world
          and brought me many disciples, no one of whom would have remained with me had they not
          found in me the very kind of man they expected to find. In fact, although I have had so
          many pupils, and they have studied with me in some cases three, and in some cases four
          years, yet not one of them will be found to have uttered a word of complaint about his
          sojourn with me; </p></div><div n="88" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>on the contrary, when at the last the time would come for them to sail away to their
          parents or their friends at home, so happy did they feel in their life with me, that they
          would always take their leave with regret and tears. Well, then, whom ought you to
          believe? Those who know intimately both my words and my character, or a sycophant who
          knows nothing about me at all, but has chosen to make me his victim? Ought you to believe
          a man who is so unscrupulous and so brazen that, </p></div><div n="89" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>having indicted me for teaching the kind of eloquence which enables people to gain their
          own advantage contrary to justice, he has not brought before you the slightest evidence of
          this but has dwelt from the beginning to the end of his speech on the iniquity of
          corrupting our youth—as if anyone disputed that, or as if it were necessary for him to
          prove what all men concede, instead of showing simply that I have been guilty of this
          offense? </p></div><div n="90" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Why, if anyone were to bring this fellow to trial for kidnapping or stealing or highway
          robbery, and, instead of proving that he had done any of these things, were to hold forth
          on the iniquity of each of these crimes, my opponent would reply that his accuser was mad
          and talked like a fool; yet he has, himself, used just such arguments and thinks that you
          do not see through him. </p></div><div n="91" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>I, however, believe that even the most simple-minded of people recognize that an
          accusation, to be convincing and to carry great weight, must not be one which may be
          employed equally well against the innocent, but one which can be applied only to the
          guilty. My accuser has made light of this fact, and has made a speech which is in no
          respect pertinent to the indictment. </p></div><div n="92" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For he ought both to have produced before you the speeches by which I corrupt my
          associates and to have named to you the pupils who have been debased by association with
            me.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">Cf. <bibl n="Plat. Apol. 33a">Plat. Apol.
              33a-b</bibl>.</note> However, he has done neither of these things, but has rejected
          the most legitimate form of accusation and attempted to lead you astray. I, on the
          contrary, shall base my defense only on grounds which are pertinent and just. </p></div><div n="93" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> I had my speeches read to you a moment ago; I shall now bring before you the men who
          have been associated with me from the time of my youth to the days of my old age, and from
          your own number I shall present men of my own years to bear witness to the truth of what I
          say. Among the first to begin studying with me were Eunomus, Lysitheides, and Callippus;
          and following them were Onetor, Anticles, Philonides, Philomelus, and Charmantides.<note anchored="true" resp="ed">For the pupils of Isocrates see Blass, <title>Die attische
              Beredsamkeit 2</title> pp. 17 ff.</note>
        </p></div><div n="94" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>All these men were crowned by <placeName key="perseus,Athens">Athens</placeName> with
          chaplets of gold,<note anchored="true" resp="ed">It was common in the fourth century for
            Athens to recognize public services in this way. Cf. the contest between Demosthenes and
            Aeschines <title>On the Crown</title>.</note> not because they were covetous of other
          people's possessions, but because they were honorable men and had spent large sums of
          their private fortunes upon the city. Suppose whatever you like as to the nature of my
          relations with them; </p></div><div n="95" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>for the result, at any rate so far as the present issue is concerned, will be altogether
          to my advantage. For if you suppose that I was their counsellor and teacher, I should
          deserve from you greater gratitude than those who are maintained in the Prytaneum in
          recognition of excellence;<note anchored="true" resp="ed">In the Prytaneum were
            entertained at state expense honored guests and benefactors of Athens. See <bibl n="Plat. Apol. 36d">Plat. Apol. 36d</bibl>, which has clearly inspired this
            passage.</note> for each of the latter has furnished to the city his own high qualities
          alone, whereas I have furnished those of all whom I have just now named to you. </p></div><div n="96" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>But if, on the other hand, you suppose that I, myself, had nothing to do with their
          achievements, but that I merely enjoyed their society and friendship, I consider that even
          this view is defense enough against the charges on which I am being tried. For if I have
          had the affection of men who have received rewards in recognition of excellence, but have
          nothing in common with the sycophant, then how, in all reason, could you judge me to be a
          corrupter of youth? </p></div><div n="97" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>Verily, I should be the most unfortunate of all men if, when others are esteemed better
          or worse, as the case may be, from the manner of their lives and from the character of
          their associates, I alone should be denied this basis of judgement; and if I, who have
          lived all my life in company with such men, and have kept myself above all criticism up to
          this point in my career, should be classed with those who from the manner of their lives
          and the character of their associates have got themselves a bad name. I should like to
          know what in the world my fate would have been if I had numbered among my associates
          anyone like my accuser, when, although I hate all his kind and am hated by them, I am yet
          subjected to this trial. </p></div><div n="98" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p> Nor, I assure you, can my case be justly injured by the argument which certain of those
          who are entirely hostile to me may, perhaps, dare to put forth, namely, that I have
          associated with the men I have mentioned merely to the extent of having been seen
          conversing with them, whereas I have had as my disciples many of another sort, mischievous
          characters, whom I am trying to conceal from you. For I have ready at hand a reply which
          will refute and confound all calumnies of that sort. </p></div><div n="99" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>For I ask this of you: If any of those who have been associated with me have turned out
          to be good men in their relations to the state, to their friends, and to their own
          households—I ask you to give them the praise and not to be grateful to me on their
          account; but if, on the other hand, any of them have turned out to be bad—the kind of men
          who lay information, hale people into court, and covet the property of others—then to let
          the penalty be visited on me. </p></div><div n="100" subtype="section" type="textpart"><p>What proposition could be less invidious or more fair than one which claims no credit for
          those who are honorable, but offers to submit to punishment for any who have become
          depraved? And these are no idle words; on the contrary, if anyone can name anyone of that
          kind to you, I yield the floor<note anchored="true" resp="ed">An offer to yield the floor
            to an opponent followed by a pause, as here, is common in court pleas. Cf. <bibl n="Plat. Apol. 34a">Plat. Apol. 34a</bibl>.</note> for this purpose to my accuser or
          to anyone else who may desire it—not that there are not persons who would gladly perjure
          themselves to my harm, but that they would be shown up to you at once, and the injury
          would fall upon them, not upon me . . . </p></div></div></body></text></TEI>
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